1 00:00:40,436 --> 00:00:43,556 …so if you're watching this documentary right now 2 00:00:43,606 --> 00:00:46,386 the truth of the situation is it's been pirated 3 00:00:46,406 --> 00:00:49,866 you're not meant to be watching, but it's so important that everybody 4 00:00:50,366 --> 00:00:51,366 gets to watch this thing we're giving it out 5 00:00:51,386 --> 00:00:53,386 Ssh! Don't tell anybody. 6 00:00:53,416 --> 00:00:54,416 One! 7 00:01:09,526 --> 00:01:13,516 To everybody that's about to watch, make sure you pass it on 8 00:01:13,536 --> 00:01:16,366 make sure the man next to you watches, make sure he watches 9 00:01:16,366 --> 00:01:18,566 make sure everybody watches make sure the message gets out 10 00:01:18,466 --> 00:01:21,446 -Free the knowledge -you understand: the message 11 00:01:21,566 --> 00:01:24,396 -Free the knowledge -it's like my brother says, 12 00:01:24,371 --> 00:01:28,516 be free-minded, think for yourself, don't get caught up in rubbish 13 00:01:28,566 --> 00:01:30,586 Peace 14 00:01:31,466 --> 00:01:35,446 When I first started this movement, I told Adie about it 15 00:01:35,446 --> 00:01:39,476 he was skeptical but he says to me "if you can set the one order, set it" 16 00:01:39,566 --> 00:01:43,566 so I'm still pushin', and, like, now you ain't here bruv, 17 00:01:44,416 --> 00:01:47,366 it makes it even more real. We ain't promised tomorrow... 18 00:01:47,566 --> 00:01:51,566 so, let's make the most of today. Rest in peace Adie Williams 19 00:01:52,366 --> 00:01:56,446 -Rest in peace - Adam Williams -Rest in peace - Adam Williams 20 00:01:56,566 --> 00:01:59,446 -brother from another mother, it's my family, that is -One. 21 00:02:23,366 --> 00:02:26,606 Everyone's walking around casual, like, like zombies, but... 22 00:02:29,276 --> 00:02:31,286 There's some fucked-up shit going on, man. 23 00:02:31,326 --> 00:02:34,326 You look around at everyone and everyone's just normal, like. 24 00:02:34,366 --> 00:02:36,446 Go home, read the papers, watch the news, 25 00:02:36,486 --> 00:02:37,566 kick back, have a cup of tea 26 00:02:38,356 --> 00:02:39,566 and get back up to do the same shit again. 27 00:02:40,356 --> 00:02:42,496 No one ain't got a passion for this thing, like me. 28 00:02:43,286 --> 00:02:44,496 On the streets of Birmingham... 29 00:02:50,386 --> 00:02:52,586 Tonight, another shooting, another victim. 30 00:02:53,376 --> 00:02:54,616 Probably going on about 15 years now, 31 00:02:55,406 --> 00:02:57,416 this beef in Birmingham's been going on, 32 00:02:57,456 --> 00:02:58,676 between Burgers and Johnsons. 33 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:02,526 Three fatal shootings in as many weeks. 34 00:03:03,316 --> 00:03:05,526 Birmingham now has the highest concentration of gun crime 35 00:03:06,316 --> 00:03:07,316 in the country, 36 00:03:07,356 --> 00:03:11,376 with three serious gun crime incidents here every single day. 37 00:03:13,326 --> 00:03:15,486 The Burgers, they're the Handsworth guys, innit? 38 00:03:18,276 --> 00:03:19,496 And Johnnies are Aston. 39 00:03:20,336 --> 00:03:22,556 These are the two notorious gangs in Birmingham. 40 00:03:23,346 --> 00:03:25,456 This man had an argument with that man. 41 00:03:25,496 --> 00:03:28,496 Next thing, a punch turns to a stab, a stab turns to a gun 42 00:03:29,286 --> 00:03:30,376 and somebody's shot. 43 00:03:31,326 --> 00:03:34,386 If I see you, I think, "Ain't that my man from that area?" 44 00:03:34,426 --> 00:03:35,426 It's on sight? 45 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:36,556 What do you mean "on sight"? 46 00:03:37,346 --> 00:03:39,406 - You see anyone, just fuck 'em up. - In what way? 47 00:03:39,446 --> 00:03:42,646 Fuck 'em up, man. Kill 'em. Beat 'em up. Stab 'em up. Shoot 'em. 48 00:03:43,436 --> 00:03:45,466 That's what it's come to, a postcode thing. 49 00:03:45,506 --> 00:03:47,726 You're from this area, you're involved. It's simple. 50 00:03:50,326 --> 00:03:51,486 What's the war about? 51 00:03:52,406 --> 00:03:53,496 I don't even know, you know. 52 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:56,646 Hear them guns blow in the ghetto 53 00:03:57,436 --> 00:03:58,636 For that big or that small dough 54 00:03:59,426 --> 00:04:02,606 Beef burns slow like the bloods at the hydro for my dough... 55 00:04:03,396 --> 00:04:04,456 Show us. What happened? 56 00:04:04,496 --> 00:04:06,686 Yeah, I got stabbed there. 57 00:04:07,476 --> 00:04:08,536 Once there on my arm. 58 00:04:09,326 --> 00:04:10,486 It's gang stuff, really. 59 00:04:11,276 --> 00:04:13,386 How many of your friends have been stabbed or shot? 60 00:04:13,426 --> 00:04:15,456 Loads of my friends have been stabbed. 61 00:04:15,496 --> 00:04:17,516 Loads of my friends have been shot, like. 62 00:04:18,486 --> 00:04:20,496 Gotta be very aware of your surroundings. 63 00:04:21,286 --> 00:04:22,286 What do you mean? 64 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:24,506 Just, like, a lot of people... 65 00:04:25,296 --> 00:04:27,486 This is like a kind of main road in Handsworth, as well. 66 00:04:28,276 --> 00:04:30,286 A lot of people sometimes drive past here 67 00:04:30,326 --> 00:04:32,396 and see if they can see someone from this area 68 00:04:32,436 --> 00:04:33,506 to try and pick them off. 69 00:04:36,306 --> 00:04:38,546 And it's always constantly just looking over your back. 70 00:04:39,336 --> 00:04:42,416 I watch every car that goes past, so I know who's in there. 71 00:04:42,456 --> 00:04:43,546 A man no take backchat 72 00:04:44,336 --> 00:04:45,416 Man will back a weapon 73 00:04:45,456 --> 00:04:47,576 Probably a 4/5 or a MAC-11 74 00:04:48,366 --> 00:04:50,366 And there ain't nothin' you can tell 'em 75 00:04:50,406 --> 00:04:52,646 Man, I pop your melon and a shot straight to your cerebellum 76 00:04:53,436 --> 00:04:55,446 And it's real struggle that I'm reppin' 77 00:04:55,486 --> 00:04:57,726 And I can't see the rats around me but I can smell 'em... 78 00:05:02,306 --> 00:05:03,446 It's a shame that... 79 00:05:04,466 --> 00:05:06,666 ..I'm so used to people getting stabbed and getting shot. 80 00:05:07,456 --> 00:05:08,456 It's a shame. 81 00:05:08,496 --> 00:05:11,596 Every day I wake up, "Such and such got shot. Swear down." 82 00:05:12,386 --> 00:05:14,586 Cos are we really winnin'? Are the kids grinnin'? 83 00:05:15,376 --> 00:05:16,566 When shots go off in a man's christening 84 00:05:17,356 --> 00:05:19,496 They say niggers don't listen All this black on black 85 00:05:20,286 --> 00:05:22,386 Will there be peace now that Silk's missing? 86 00:05:22,426 --> 00:05:23,606 13's missing? 87 00:05:25,516 --> 00:05:27,596 - Look. See that there? - A wall. 88 00:05:28,386 --> 00:05:29,536 - And that there? - Yeah. 89 00:05:30,326 --> 00:05:32,486 Slugs. Right there and right there. 90 00:05:34,476 --> 00:05:36,696 - Unfortunately, I was the target. - You were the target? 91 00:05:37,486 --> 00:05:38,666 - Yeah, right here. - Bloody hell. 92 00:05:39,456 --> 00:05:41,476 How fast you can get into the alley there. 93 00:05:41,516 --> 00:05:43,656 Look at the gate. It's got a padlock on there now. 94 00:05:44,446 --> 00:05:45,596 I would have been dead. 95 00:05:48,316 --> 00:05:49,526 Aston, home of gun crime, G. 96 00:05:50,316 --> 00:05:51,406 Pop, pop, pop, pop. 97 00:05:51,446 --> 00:05:54,686 Zoom on a motorbike. Jump off. That's some next shit, blood. 98 00:05:55,476 --> 00:05:57,666 I'll be duckin' and divin' Bustin' at hood niggers mainly 99 00:05:58,456 --> 00:06:00,516 I got shot once That's enough shit for me, baby 100 00:06:01,306 --> 00:06:03,336 Shine a gun, rude boy I'm staying daily... 101 00:06:04,346 --> 00:06:07,426 You see a man walking, catching, you run upon him, so he don't see. 102 00:06:07,466 --> 00:06:09,586 Now, if you're doing that, you're living like that, 103 00:06:10,376 --> 00:06:13,396 then you're gonna wanna be aware of some people doing that to you. 104 00:06:13,436 --> 00:06:14,486 You have to be on point. 105 00:06:15,276 --> 00:06:19,316 Especially, if you're at the height of shit that's going down, 106 00:06:19,356 --> 00:06:20,576 you have to be very on point. 107 00:06:47,426 --> 00:06:49,576 You moan about the people that are gone and you just think, 108 00:06:50,366 --> 00:06:54,436 "How many more people have to go because these people have gone?" 109 00:06:54,476 --> 00:06:56,656 And, like, ain't there no way, like, you know..? 110 00:06:57,446 --> 00:07:00,616 If we could ask these people what they really want, like, 111 00:07:01,406 --> 00:07:02,646 you're never gonna come back and live, 112 00:07:03,436 --> 00:07:04,506 but what would you want? 113 00:07:05,296 --> 00:07:06,526 I guarantee you, half of them will say, 114 00:07:07,316 --> 00:07:10,326 "To stop killing each other. You don't wanna be here like this." 115 00:07:11,506 --> 00:07:12,606 This cannot be living. 116 00:07:13,396 --> 00:07:15,516 I don't believe this is what we were put here to do, 117 00:07:16,306 --> 00:07:17,386 just do what we're doing. 118 00:07:17,426 --> 00:07:18,606 I think there's more to it than this. 119 00:07:19,396 --> 00:07:20,536 So what did you do? 120 00:07:21,326 --> 00:07:26,376 Phoned Penny up, yourself, cos you'd finished doing the film, 121 00:07:26,416 --> 00:07:29,416 so I know you had connections with some of them Burgers and that. 122 00:07:30,486 --> 00:07:33,546 So I contacted you to contact Dylan, 123 00:07:34,336 --> 00:07:36,456 who's affiliated with Burgers. 124 00:07:36,496 --> 00:07:37,726 Yeah, it's Flash. Waagwaan? 125 00:07:38,516 --> 00:07:39,726 What you sayin', G? What's happenin'? 126 00:07:40,516 --> 00:07:41,546 So Shabba called me, 127 00:07:42,336 --> 00:07:45,396 because I got to know young men on both sides of the conflict, 128 00:07:45,436 --> 00:07:48,536 while researching my film One Day, in 2007. 129 00:07:50,496 --> 00:07:53,606 I stayed good friends with Dylan who played Flash in the film. 130 00:07:56,306 --> 00:07:57,396 I got a phone call from Penny 131 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:00,626 saying that a guy named Shabba from the B6 side of town 132 00:08:01,416 --> 00:08:03,596 was thinking about any way where there could be a truce. 133 00:08:04,386 --> 00:08:08,436 My first initial thought was, "OK, this is against the grain." 134 00:08:08,476 --> 00:08:11,506 If my friends hear I'm talking to somebody from the other side of town, 135 00:08:12,296 --> 00:08:15,376 or people I wanna associate with, they're thinking, "Yo, I'm dodgy." 136 00:08:15,416 --> 00:08:17,506 So my first thought was "Do I really wanna do it?" 137 00:08:18,296 --> 00:08:19,516 Then I thought to myself I've got kids coming up, 138 00:08:20,306 --> 00:08:22,536 I've heard 'em talk about this gang stuff, so I'm obliged to. 139 00:08:24,276 --> 00:08:25,486 Wanna be a gunman, do ya? 140 00:08:26,276 --> 00:08:27,356 Just making the film One Day, 141 00:08:27,396 --> 00:08:30,606 I've got these kids running up to me saying, "Yo, Flash, Flash, Flash." 142 00:08:31,396 --> 00:08:34,446 I feel obliged to push this message - you don't wanna be like Flash, 143 00:08:34,486 --> 00:08:37,576 you don't want that lifestyle, you don't wanna be involved in that. 144 00:08:43,326 --> 00:08:45,386 Shabba, you made it. 145 00:08:46,496 --> 00:08:48,696 And how did you feel before the meeting? 146 00:08:49,486 --> 00:08:51,646 Before the meeting, I was nervous. I'm not gonna lie. 147 00:08:52,436 --> 00:08:53,626 I don't really get nervous like that. 148 00:08:54,416 --> 00:08:57,606 This is some different kind of stuff, cos it's against all rules. 149 00:08:58,396 --> 00:09:00,426 It goes against what I grew up to believe in, 150 00:09:00,466 --> 00:09:01,646 even though it's rubbish. 151 00:09:02,436 --> 00:09:05,486 For me to go into the room, I was nervous, thinking, "What is this?" 152 00:09:06,276 --> 00:09:08,406 I could have went in there and he's gonna think, 153 00:09:08,446 --> 00:09:10,656 "There's my man from that side of town. Let's get rid or fuck him up." 154 00:09:11,506 --> 00:09:13,696 You wake up every day saying, "Something is not right." 155 00:09:14,486 --> 00:09:15,486 Yeah. 156 00:09:16,276 --> 00:09:18,436 I don't know if we're gonna get a next chance 157 00:09:18,476 --> 00:09:20,596 to come back in a next world and do it again. 158 00:09:21,386 --> 00:09:24,516 Well, we're only gonna get this one chance, innit, brother? 159 00:09:25,306 --> 00:09:27,496 Like I says, you're only gonna be 10 once, 20 once, 30 once. 160 00:09:28,286 --> 00:09:31,356 There's no part two of this, next year or in the next lifetime. 161 00:09:31,396 --> 00:09:32,526 Bruv, right now, it's real. 162 00:09:33,316 --> 00:09:35,516 I've lost a load of friends. I've lost a load of people. 163 00:09:36,306 --> 00:09:39,326 A load of people around me... Misery, and a load of angry people. 164 00:09:39,366 --> 00:09:42,466 You wake up and think, "I can't be living like this. It's not a joke." 165 00:09:42,506 --> 00:09:43,656 Yeah, it's not. Do you get me? 166 00:09:44,446 --> 00:09:46,596 You're burying your friend. You've done your crying. 167 00:09:47,386 --> 00:09:50,516 You can't be living like this, man. This is crazy. You understand it? 168 00:09:51,306 --> 00:09:54,396 Who else can I think of that's gonna come up and say, 169 00:09:54,436 --> 00:09:56,446 "You know what? We have to stop this ting," 170 00:09:56,486 --> 00:09:59,646 and can actually get to the next side and get back and vice versa? 171 00:10:00,436 --> 00:10:03,506 So it's a good thing for me to be sitting here with Dylan. 172 00:10:04,296 --> 00:10:06,516 Being able to pass messages and get messages back and forward 173 00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:08,516 to let people know it's not that time. 174 00:10:09,306 --> 00:10:11,476 So you can't call five man out of college to do this job. 175 00:10:11,516 --> 00:10:14,526 This job has to be taken care of by people that are affiliated, 176 00:10:15,316 --> 00:10:16,526 whether they're out there banging... 177 00:10:17,316 --> 00:10:19,496 You need to be around these members. Man, active... 178 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:21,376 In half an hours time, 179 00:10:21,416 --> 00:10:23,466 I could be with a man who's licking off heads and that. 180 00:10:23,506 --> 00:10:25,596 That's how real it is and it's a small world. 181 00:10:29,276 --> 00:10:30,416 Yeah. 182 00:10:30,456 --> 00:10:32,646 How are we gonna really do this? Kind of, like, you get me? 183 00:10:33,436 --> 00:10:34,606 Like I says, it could, like... 184 00:10:35,396 --> 00:10:37,416 it could put men in problems. 185 00:10:37,456 --> 00:10:39,556 I'm not gonna lie. Some people might not like it. 186 00:10:40,346 --> 00:10:42,416 It's gonna be hard to get through, though. 187 00:10:43,416 --> 00:10:45,456 I don't get paid. There's no reward. 188 00:10:45,496 --> 00:10:47,706 The only thing that could come of this is someone could say, 189 00:10:48,496 --> 00:10:49,526 "Fuck him, we're lighting him up." 190 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:52,446 So that's why I know my heart's in it. 191 00:10:52,486 --> 00:10:53,706 I believe, if we don't do it, no one's gonna do it. 192 00:10:54,496 --> 00:10:55,546 We've gotta try and do it. 193 00:10:56,336 --> 00:10:57,406 Even if nothing comes of it, 194 00:10:57,446 --> 00:10:59,486 when they mention Burgers, Johnnies or war, 195 00:11:00,276 --> 00:11:03,326 they'll know that at least there's a man out there thinking, 196 00:11:03,366 --> 00:11:04,486 "I'll try and do something." 197 00:11:05,276 --> 00:11:07,446 Man can’t ever tell me how much I've put my life on the line 198 00:11:07,486 --> 00:11:08,486 for my community. 199 00:11:13,306 --> 00:11:14,456 That thing what we did yesterday 200 00:11:14,496 --> 00:11:16,546 is bigger than what anybody could imagine, 201 00:11:17,336 --> 00:11:18,356 Just for us to have spoken. 202 00:11:18,396 --> 00:11:20,616 Then I've sent a message that way. And he's sent a message his way. 203 00:11:22,396 --> 00:11:23,636 Are we meeting someone I know, Dylan? 204 00:11:24,426 --> 00:11:25,626 I don't know if you've met... 205 00:11:28,306 --> 00:11:29,306 How old is he? 206 00:11:29,346 --> 00:11:33,346 26 now, but as far as I can remember, he's always been around it so... 207 00:11:35,276 --> 00:11:38,396 The kids need to understand that they're arguing over nothin'. 208 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:39,546 All of this is over nothin'. 209 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:52,486 That's the scary thing about it. 210 00:11:56,286 --> 00:11:59,366 If there's gonna be some peace or whatever you wanna call it... 211 00:11:59,406 --> 00:12:00,406 Order, you know it’s order 212 00:12:00,446 --> 00:12:03,476 ..yeah, order, I'm willing to try. 213 00:12:04,336 --> 00:12:07,386 I just can't see it being like... I dunno, man. 214 00:12:07,426 --> 00:12:09,636 I'm not saying this is gonna be straight peace like that, 215 00:12:10,426 --> 00:12:11,426 but I'm saying... 216 00:12:11,466 --> 00:12:12,656 Them lot hollered at Penny, you know. 217 00:12:13,446 --> 00:12:16,486 This is what I keep saying to ya. You see when you say, "Them lot?" 218 00:12:17,276 --> 00:12:18,486 All right, I'll say an individual. 219 00:12:19,276 --> 00:12:21,356 Shabba, That individual there, he's not valid. 220 00:12:21,396 --> 00:12:22,426 Yeah, I hear that. 221 00:12:22,466 --> 00:12:25,506 I need to hear it from someone who I know deep down inside my heart 222 00:12:26,296 --> 00:12:27,366 that is up to no good. 223 00:12:27,406 --> 00:12:30,516 But he's saying there's active men that are involved in the thing 224 00:12:31,306 --> 00:12:33,306 and these are men doing stuff on the road. 225 00:12:33,346 --> 00:12:34,496 They've said it from their heart. 226 00:12:35,286 --> 00:12:37,286 If you can stop this thing, stop it, innit? 227 00:12:37,326 --> 00:12:38,556 These motherfuckers are not stupid. 228 00:12:39,466 --> 00:12:42,566 They can be saying all that because they wanna get involved in stuff. 229 00:12:43,356 --> 00:12:46,386 They wanna get their fingers dipped in certain little situations 230 00:12:46,426 --> 00:12:47,606 that otherwise they couldn't have. 231 00:12:50,276 --> 00:12:52,296 Would you talk to your enemy to set us free? 232 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:54,496 Or just wait for the 5-0 to give you the key? 233 00:12:55,286 --> 00:12:57,376 Cos ten men getting 30 That was injustice 234 00:12:57,416 --> 00:12:59,486 When it was war they taught us to bust this 235 00:13:00,276 --> 00:13:02,436 How can we come together? Cos they don't trust us 236 00:13:02,476 --> 00:13:04,526 Where's the loyalty? Is there no love left? 237 00:13:05,316 --> 00:13:07,436 Ride and die for niggers till there's no thugs left 238 00:13:07,476 --> 00:13:09,576 Then bust the guns till there's no slugs left 239 00:13:10,366 --> 00:13:13,476 Cos the government's having a party and they're calling it Illuminati 240 00:13:15,466 --> 00:13:16,466 It's Boxing Day 241 00:13:16,506 --> 00:13:17,726 There's been a shooting in town. 242 00:13:20,456 --> 00:13:21,696 Gonna phone Shabba and see what we can do. 243 00:13:22,486 --> 00:13:23,596 Try to sort the situation out, innit? 244 00:13:24,386 --> 00:13:25,506 I'm good to go right now, bruv. 245 00:13:26,296 --> 00:13:29,336 We're here, innit, so if you're free, you could link up. 246 00:13:33,486 --> 00:13:35,566 Retaliation is what I'm worried about. 247 00:13:36,356 --> 00:13:38,416 Even though a meeting in town could be dodgy, 248 00:13:38,456 --> 00:13:40,596 before this escalates and turns into some big drama, 249 00:13:41,386 --> 00:13:43,526 Shabba and I have agreed to hook up for the second time 250 00:13:44,316 --> 00:13:45,516 to see if we can sort this out. 251 00:13:46,306 --> 00:13:48,446 You shouldn't be making the youths wind you up, though. 252 00:13:48,486 --> 00:13:49,556 You've been around, yeah. 253 00:13:50,346 --> 00:13:52,416 You've been around long enough to know, blood. 254 00:13:52,456 --> 00:13:54,596 It's like a lickle brother winding you up and you say, 255 00:13:55,386 --> 00:13:56,606 "You carry on, I'm gonna beat you up." 256 00:13:57,396 --> 00:13:58,636 You know what, say, "Fuck him” man. 257 00:13:59,426 --> 00:14:01,536 You can't be making men bring you down to their level 258 00:14:02,326 --> 00:14:03,406 to have youth activity, blood. 259 00:14:03,446 --> 00:14:05,676 Since, man, I met up and that, nothing ain't really happened. 260 00:14:06,466 --> 00:14:09,636 Minor tings, but nothing on the scale of how fucking last year was, 261 00:14:10,426 --> 00:14:12,616 with this heat wave of shooting and that. 262 00:14:13,406 --> 00:14:15,476 Cos the next man dies now or next shot goes off, 263 00:14:15,516 --> 00:14:16,606 it's gonna get messy again. 264 00:14:17,396 --> 00:14:19,446 I could get five men and you could get five men 265 00:14:19,486 --> 00:14:20,636 and they could sit there and say, 266 00:14:21,426 --> 00:14:24,456 "You done this and you done that and, yeah, my bredren this..." 267 00:14:24,496 --> 00:14:26,666 What I'm sayin', if we just stop it, blood... 268 00:14:27,456 --> 00:14:28,486 Fuck it off. You get me blood? 269 00:14:29,276 --> 00:14:31,346 Fuck it off, innit? See how it goes for a bit, man. 270 00:14:35,506 --> 00:14:36,706 This conversation's never been had. 271 00:14:37,496 --> 00:14:39,576 15, 20 years this gang thing's been running, 272 00:14:40,366 --> 00:14:41,606 this conversation's never been had. 273 00:14:42,396 --> 00:14:44,566 So what are people suspicious of? What would they say? 274 00:14:45,356 --> 00:14:48,386 People are suspicious we're doing it with an ulterior motive. 275 00:14:48,426 --> 00:14:50,496 It's either to get money 276 00:14:51,286 --> 00:14:54,506 or there's the police involved somewhere along the lines. 277 00:14:55,296 --> 00:14:57,376 There's loads of things people are wary about. 278 00:14:57,416 --> 00:14:59,486 I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life. 279 00:15:00,276 --> 00:15:01,496 I'm advising ya, so don't be mad at me 280 00:15:02,286 --> 00:15:04,326 or don't think I'm trying to pull no stunts, 281 00:15:04,366 --> 00:15:05,546 or it's not no money scam. 282 00:15:06,336 --> 00:15:08,416 This is for all of us in the long run, blood. 283 00:15:08,456 --> 00:15:09,626 They don't seem to understand. “Why would you wanna do it?” 284 00:15:10,416 --> 00:15:12,546 But we're gonna show them the bigger picture, bruv. 285 00:15:13,336 --> 00:15:15,426 We're gonna keep it moving, we’re gonna keep pushing. 286 00:15:18,276 --> 00:15:19,386 This is the black holocaust 287 00:15:19,426 --> 00:15:20,626 Where we're judged by the way we walk 288 00:15:21,416 --> 00:15:23,496 And close friends get killed for the way we talk 289 00:15:24,286 --> 00:15:26,396 You bring up so much anger You're supposed to know 290 00:15:26,436 --> 00:15:27,676 That this world don't owe you anything 291 00:15:28,466 --> 00:15:30,556 Cos we was born to lose but built to win 292 00:15:32,476 --> 00:15:35,556 You're not supposed to talk to the enemy, as people would say, but... 293 00:15:36,506 --> 00:15:38,526 I don't look at them as my enemy. 294 00:15:39,316 --> 00:15:42,316 The life I live, government, police, the way the system works, 295 00:15:42,356 --> 00:15:44,416 I don't look at them as my enemy. 296 00:15:44,456 --> 00:15:46,686 If people have got a problem with them, fair enough, 297 00:15:47,476 --> 00:15:49,516 but I wouldn't say my enemy. 298 00:15:50,306 --> 00:15:52,346 I'd rather get up and go and kill a policeman, 299 00:15:52,386 --> 00:15:53,616 to tell the God's honest truth. 300 00:15:55,366 --> 00:15:58,366 I'm more angry at them, you know, than them. 301 00:15:58,406 --> 00:15:59,476 I'm really mad at... 302 00:16:01,326 --> 00:16:04,566 I think if you put all these mans together 303 00:16:05,356 --> 00:16:08,496 and make them have to fight a cause like the Lozells riots... 304 00:16:09,286 --> 00:16:11,336 Make them have to fight a cause together. 305 00:16:12,386 --> 00:16:14,486 I reckon, that's what will bring everyone together again 306 00:16:15,276 --> 00:16:18,496 and make people appreciate each other. 307 00:16:25,296 --> 00:16:27,526 That's what I'm sayin'. Birmingham love all the way around. 308 00:16:28,316 --> 00:16:30,526 He knows what it is already. I don't have to say no more. 309 00:16:31,316 --> 00:16:33,326 I'm from the older generation, man. 310 00:16:33,366 --> 00:16:36,476 I used to follow my grandmother with shopping 311 00:16:36,516 --> 00:16:38,586 and you have to say hello to every black woman 312 00:16:39,376 --> 00:16:40,476 and every woman. 313 00:16:40,516 --> 00:16:41,696 See, here's a big man right here. 314 00:16:42,486 --> 00:16:43,556 You know, this is the man 315 00:16:44,346 --> 00:16:48,376 that owns the dumpling shop up the road, Sovereign's Café. 316 00:16:48,416 --> 00:16:49,566 This is a documentary. 317 00:16:50,356 --> 00:16:53,436 We're talking about resolving the gang situation in Birmingham. 318 00:16:53,476 --> 00:16:56,676 Tell them what you think about what's going on with this gang situation 319 00:16:57,466 --> 00:16:58,676 and how it was back in your day, as well. 320 00:16:59,466 --> 00:17:00,586 My days were proper. 321 00:17:01,376 --> 00:17:02,506 Life was ever so simple. 322 00:17:03,296 --> 00:17:04,396 We didn't fight each other. 323 00:17:04,436 --> 00:17:06,466 Stop lying, man. You fought the Teddy Boys. 324 00:17:06,506 --> 00:17:08,606 Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. 325 00:17:09,396 --> 00:17:10,566 But we didn't fight each other. 326 00:17:11,356 --> 00:17:12,586 You know, we think about love. 327 00:17:13,376 --> 00:17:14,616 We think about love and girls. 328 00:17:15,406 --> 00:17:18,496 So in the riots, the ones in '85, do you remember those? 329 00:17:19,286 --> 00:17:20,456 I remember both of them. 330 00:17:21,376 --> 00:17:22,426 I remember both of them. 331 00:17:22,466 --> 00:17:25,476 Then people were fighting the police and the National Front. 332 00:17:25,516 --> 00:17:26,676 They weren't fighting each other. 333 00:17:27,466 --> 00:17:29,706 No, they weren't fighting each other. It was the police. 334 00:17:30,496 --> 00:17:33,696 People were just fed up with society, you know? 335 00:17:34,486 --> 00:17:35,556 Nothing was happening, 336 00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:38,466 so people just burst out one night, the police. 337 00:17:38,506 --> 00:17:39,566 When police lost control 338 00:17:40,356 --> 00:17:42,416 of a half-mile stretch of road in Handsworth, 339 00:17:42,456 --> 00:17:45,456 the neighbourhood was reduced to a blazing inferno. 340 00:17:45,496 --> 00:17:47,606 The police were powerless to stop it. 341 00:17:48,396 --> 00:17:49,586 The orgy of destruction that followed 342 00:17:50,376 --> 00:17:52,416 made it look like something out of the Blitz. 343 00:17:53,476 --> 00:17:55,566 But, the tragedy is that it's come after so many years 344 00:17:56,356 --> 00:17:57,546 of very good community relations here 345 00:17:58,336 --> 00:18:00,436 with nothing to indicate that this would happen. 346 00:18:00,476 --> 00:18:03,526 It is pure naked hooliganism 347 00:18:04,316 --> 00:18:07,336 running on into upright violence and theft. 348 00:18:09,336 --> 00:18:11,436 Two days after having one of the best carnivals 349 00:18:11,476 --> 00:18:12,626 that we've ever had in the city, 350 00:18:13,416 --> 00:18:16,486 and it would appear, through insensitive policing again, 351 00:18:17,276 --> 00:18:19,306 we're now struck with this silly problem. 352 00:18:29,516 --> 00:18:31,686 The bigger generation were fighting for a real cause 353 00:18:32,476 --> 00:18:34,626 which was to get rid of racism out of Birmingham. 354 00:18:35,416 --> 00:18:36,446 You know what I mean? 355 00:18:37,396 --> 00:18:40,426 But it was never no kill black-on-black crime. 356 00:18:40,466 --> 00:18:42,666 We're arguing over postcodes that don't belong to us. 357 00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:45,476 Street corners that don't belong to us. 358 00:18:45,516 --> 00:18:46,746 We have to pay council tax to live there. 359 00:18:48,286 --> 00:18:50,476 We don't want these roads. You're fighting for a postcode. 360 00:18:50,516 --> 00:18:51,556 Do you own a postcode? No. 361 00:18:52,346 --> 00:18:54,586 Like you were saying, trust is a luxury. 362 00:18:55,376 --> 00:18:56,426 Yeah, it is, man. 363 00:18:56,466 --> 00:18:59,496 Trust is a luxury, cos you can't trust anybody. 364 00:19:00,286 --> 00:19:01,386 A lot of people let you down. 365 00:19:01,426 --> 00:19:03,536 You trust anybody and that makes you vulnerable. 366 00:19:04,326 --> 00:19:07,496 You have to stay paranoid to be on point and it's horrible. 367 00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:14,506 It's been sad for a long time, Penny. That's what I'm saying. 368 00:19:15,296 --> 00:19:17,506 Man, a lot of heartache and things. Right now, it's not that bad. 369 00:19:18,296 --> 00:19:19,536 There's times where you don't even wanna 370 00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:21,496 be driving up on the road like this. 371 00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:23,376 Do you understand it? 372 00:19:23,416 --> 00:19:26,476 You know, when it's peak and it's fully on, Shabs. 373 00:19:26,516 --> 00:19:28,636 There's times when you don't wanna be on the road. 374 00:19:29,426 --> 00:19:31,476 You'll get the call saying, "Yo." You get me? 375 00:19:31,516 --> 00:19:33,546 There'll be gang bangers driving around 376 00:19:34,336 --> 00:19:35,506 looking for someone to lick down, 377 00:19:36,296 --> 00:19:38,346 so you don't come on the road, become a victim. 378 00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:39,466 It gets like that. 379 00:19:41,486 --> 00:19:43,576 To tell the truth, it's been kind of hell. 380 00:19:44,366 --> 00:19:45,606 People are falling out with each other, 381 00:19:46,396 --> 00:19:49,406 saying I'm trying to get to Hollywood by making a documentary. 382 00:19:49,446 --> 00:19:50,566 There's been bare arguments. 383 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,516 People are been saying, "You're working with police." 384 00:19:54,306 --> 00:19:55,546 We haven't been able to film any of this madness, 385 00:19:56,336 --> 00:19:58,566 because the mandem don't allow cameras in the hood. 386 00:19:59,356 --> 00:20:00,506 It's all good me having my opinion, 387 00:20:01,296 --> 00:20:03,446 but without any backing, it don't really make no sense. 388 00:20:03,486 --> 00:20:05,656 Like I say, for me to reach out to the elders, 389 00:20:06,446 --> 00:20:08,486 they're not gonna listen to me, cos they'll say, 390 00:20:09,276 --> 00:20:11,286 "D boy, your opinion don't really count like that." 391 00:20:11,326 --> 00:20:13,546 So I need somebody with some weight in this thing to back me on it. 392 00:20:14,336 --> 00:20:15,366 Be the boss, paid the cost 393 00:20:15,406 --> 00:20:16,486 It nearly ruined my life 394 00:20:17,276 --> 00:20:18,366 Wasted years in the penny 395 00:20:18,406 --> 00:20:19,426 So I'm newing my life 396 00:20:19,466 --> 00:20:21,676 For all the dirt and the shit I've been through in my life 397 00:20:22,466 --> 00:20:24,526 I should be stuck in jail doing the life 398 00:20:25,426 --> 00:20:27,636 Touch down in H town No more confined to a cell 399 00:20:28,426 --> 00:20:30,646 A lot of niggers actin' hard Spitting grimey as well 400 00:20:31,436 --> 00:20:33,556 Never seen a prison yard They no done no time in a cell 401 00:20:34,346 --> 00:20:36,346 This for my gangsters doing time with an L 402 00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:38,546 Look, hot up out of prison 403 00:20:39,336 --> 00:20:40,366 I feel I got religion... 404 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:41,646 Bredren Zilla's just come out the penner. 405 00:20:42,436 --> 00:20:43,516 He's original Burger Bar. 406 00:20:44,306 --> 00:20:47,356 He's been doing this ting from the get-go. Done eight years in jail. 407 00:20:47,396 --> 00:20:50,406 This blood is influential. Bad people listen when he speaks. 408 00:20:50,446 --> 00:20:53,476 This is the prison right here. You know what I'm sayin'? 409 00:20:53,516 --> 00:20:56,556 You don't wanna be ending up behind that wall. 410 00:20:57,346 --> 00:21:00,376 So they accused you of trying to kill a policeman? 411 00:21:00,416 --> 00:21:02,446 Yeah, times two. Trying to kill two of them. 412 00:21:02,486 --> 00:21:04,606 I was on two attempted murders of the police. 413 00:21:05,396 --> 00:21:06,496 That was my original charge. 414 00:21:07,286 --> 00:21:09,396 Attempted murder times two on two officers. 415 00:21:11,306 --> 00:21:13,356 But they had to drop it to a lesser charge, 416 00:21:13,396 --> 00:21:15,546 cos they couldn't prove that I tried to kill nobody. 417 00:21:16,336 --> 00:21:18,496 Tryin' to say, I tried to shoot one of them, yeah? 418 00:21:19,286 --> 00:21:20,426 And the gun jammed. 419 00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:22,686 Then I tried to shoot the next one and the gun jammed. 420 00:21:23,476 --> 00:21:24,706 But if the gun's jammed on one person, 421 00:21:25,496 --> 00:21:27,506 how can I attempt to kill someone again? 422 00:21:28,296 --> 00:21:29,356 It was just a load of shit. 423 00:21:29,396 --> 00:21:31,406 I got eight-and-a-half years, 424 00:21:31,446 --> 00:21:33,596 which I done eight years out of it, more or less. 425 00:21:34,386 --> 00:21:35,476 I've been jail enough times. 426 00:21:35,516 --> 00:21:37,636 This time, I tried to really learn something, 427 00:21:38,426 --> 00:21:41,536 so when I get out, obviously, I'm gonna do something right, innit? 428 00:21:42,326 --> 00:21:45,396 You know, the place is a mess, so my priority was, 429 00:21:45,436 --> 00:21:48,436 if I can make one difference in the hood where I come from, 430 00:21:48,476 --> 00:21:50,686 then that's an achievement to me, you get what I'm sayin'? 431 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,516 If I can deter one person from ending up in there where I ended up, 432 00:21:55,306 --> 00:21:57,346 that's an achievement for me, innit? 433 00:21:57,386 --> 00:21:58,546 So that's what I want, innit? 434 00:22:01,406 --> 00:22:03,586 I've got a lot of friends left in jail still. You get me? 435 00:22:04,376 --> 00:22:06,556 I feel their pain. 436 00:22:07,346 --> 00:22:09,576 But mans here and some of them ain't gonna get to experience this. 437 00:22:10,366 --> 00:22:11,516 You understand what I'm sayin'? 438 00:22:16,306 --> 00:22:18,376 Zilla has agreed to support the movement 100%, 439 00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:21,426 but he has asked us to highlight the case of four of his friends, 440 00:22:21,466 --> 00:22:23,556 who are doing life after a high-profile trial. 441 00:22:25,456 --> 00:22:28,496 The thing people remember most about Burger Bar and Johnsons 442 00:22:29,286 --> 00:22:32,426 is the tragic killing of Letisha Shakespeare and Charlene Ellis 443 00:22:32,466 --> 00:22:34,516 on New Year's Day, 2003. 444 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:49,486 This has got to end. 445 00:22:53,426 --> 00:22:56,456 My daughter's life was cut short... 446 00:22:58,386 --> 00:22:59,516 ..by this killing. 447 00:23:01,276 --> 00:23:04,436 A part of me died when Letisha died. 448 00:23:06,326 --> 00:23:08,366 This is as bad as it gets. 449 00:23:09,516 --> 00:23:10,606 Please help. 450 00:23:12,426 --> 00:23:13,576 Please help. 451 00:23:16,286 --> 00:23:17,416 OK. 452 00:23:19,506 --> 00:23:20,716 But two wrongs don't make a right. 453 00:23:21,506 --> 00:23:23,686 My friends were identified by an anonymous witness 454 00:23:24,476 --> 00:23:27,576 and Marcus Ellis got 35 years based solely on his evidence. 455 00:23:32,426 --> 00:23:34,616 I don't think we've really taken on board, 456 00:23:35,406 --> 00:23:38,526 what a serious step it is to allow witnesses 457 00:23:39,316 --> 00:23:41,426 to give evidence anonymously in our courts, 458 00:23:41,466 --> 00:23:45,466 speaking in Dalek voices through voice-distortion equipment, 459 00:23:45,506 --> 00:23:47,576 shielded from the view of everyone in court, 460 00:23:48,366 --> 00:23:50,456 sometimes even defending counsel. 461 00:23:50,496 --> 00:23:52,626 You're not allowed to ask another witness 462 00:23:53,416 --> 00:23:56,456 if the anonymous witness was even present at the scene. 463 00:23:56,496 --> 00:23:57,656 You can't check. 464 00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:01,466 What I've got is the prison records 465 00:24:01,506 --> 00:24:03,546 that were made available to the court 466 00:24:04,336 --> 00:24:07,406 of Mark Brown, who is the anonymous witness. 467 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,546 He's at Brinsford at the detention centre. 468 00:24:10,336 --> 00:24:12,516 You're saying in June that the Johnson boys are after you. 469 00:24:13,306 --> 00:24:14,326 They've attacked you. 470 00:24:14,366 --> 00:24:16,406 You were seen wandering out of some toilets, 471 00:24:16,446 --> 00:24:18,476 dazed and bleeding with your clothes torn. 472 00:24:18,516 --> 00:24:20,576 "Does that ring a bell?" And he says, "Yes." 473 00:24:21,366 --> 00:24:22,536 So then Nigel Rumfitt says, 474 00:24:23,326 --> 00:24:26,486 "Cooperating with the police started to become attractive to you." 475 00:24:27,276 --> 00:24:28,276 Yeah, of course. 476 00:24:28,316 --> 00:24:30,366 As soon as he started cooperating, 477 00:24:30,406 --> 00:24:33,496 he was moved from Brinsford to a different prison. 478 00:24:34,286 --> 00:24:35,526 Vulnerable people, in them situations, 479 00:24:36,316 --> 00:24:38,446 do anything they can do to get out of that situation. 480 00:24:38,486 --> 00:24:40,656 Jail is not a nice place. You understand what I'm sayin'? 481 00:24:41,446 --> 00:24:44,666 You give your life away to the place. You know, it's not nice. 482 00:24:45,456 --> 00:24:46,506 When you visit the scene, 483 00:24:47,296 --> 00:24:50,316 you begin to appreciate how unbelievable the evidence 484 00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:53,436 that that witness gave is. 485 00:24:53,476 --> 00:24:56,476 The party was here at these premises. 486 00:24:56,516 --> 00:24:59,726 Mark Brown, the anonymous witness, 487 00:25:00,516 --> 00:25:03,556 claimed that he came out for fresh air 488 00:25:04,346 --> 00:25:08,506 and the vehicle drove along the service road, 489 00:25:09,296 --> 00:25:10,416 with tinted windows, 490 00:25:10,456 --> 00:25:13,666 discharged a firearm, 491 00:25:14,456 --> 00:25:18,476 sadly killing the two young girls. 492 00:25:18,516 --> 00:25:21,606 This was round about 4:00am... 493 00:25:23,486 --> 00:25:25,516 ..at the very beginning of January, 494 00:25:26,306 --> 00:25:29,506 so it would still have been intensely dark. 495 00:25:30,296 --> 00:25:32,536 So Mark Brown claimed that he could clearly identify 496 00:25:33,326 --> 00:25:35,556 four men wearing masks in a moving car 497 00:25:36,346 --> 00:25:38,536 with heavily tinted windows in the middle of the night. 498 00:25:41,296 --> 00:25:42,426 It's a matter of a split second 499 00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:45,526 for the vehicle to go past the relevant positions. 500 00:25:46,316 --> 00:25:50,456 It would have been quite impossible to identify anyone in that vehicle. 501 00:25:51,406 --> 00:25:55,406 He then refuses to attend an identity parade. 502 00:25:55,446 --> 00:25:56,486 It's the same guy saying 503 00:25:57,276 --> 00:25:59,396 that he can't point these people out in an ID parade, 504 00:25:59,436 --> 00:26:02,586 that's saying that he could see these people in a tinted-out car, 505 00:26:03,376 --> 00:26:05,456 with masks on, in the middle of the night. 506 00:26:05,496 --> 00:26:08,516 But he can't go into a room, bright as fuck! You understand it? 507 00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:12,396 You can see their whole face, and he can't pick them out there? 508 00:26:12,436 --> 00:26:14,616 I don't know how people feel about it. It's wrong, innit? 509 00:26:15,406 --> 00:26:17,476 Okay, it's wrong, innit? it's just blatantly wrong. 510 00:26:18,426 --> 00:26:20,576 Because my friend had the gang marker, 511 00:26:21,366 --> 00:26:24,406 he was stitched up in a way that wouldn't happen to anybody else 512 00:26:24,446 --> 00:26:25,626 who didn't have this gang marker. 513 00:26:27,306 --> 00:26:28,376 So, your car is gang affiliated. 514 00:26:28,416 --> 00:26:30,436 Your house, gang members go to this house. 515 00:26:30,476 --> 00:26:31,686 Everything becomes gang affiliated. 516 00:26:32,476 --> 00:26:35,506 When you go to the court of law now and that word "gang" comes up, 517 00:26:36,296 --> 00:26:38,426 it gives them powers to use acts that they've created 518 00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:39,556 to go against gang members. 519 00:26:40,346 --> 00:26:43,506 It started because there is a great deal of witness intimidation. 520 00:26:44,296 --> 00:26:46,366 And there's no doubt about that. It does go on. 521 00:26:46,406 --> 00:26:48,566 There are gangs in our inner cities now, 522 00:26:49,356 --> 00:26:50,536 gangs with access to firearms, 523 00:26:51,326 --> 00:26:53,556 which is not something that used to be as widespread as it is, 524 00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:55,476 and there is a genuine problem. 525 00:26:55,516 --> 00:26:57,726 But, in my view, it's a problem primarily for the police, 526 00:26:58,516 --> 00:27:01,586 whose relationship with certain minorities of the inner cities 527 00:27:02,376 --> 00:27:03,536 has broken down in recent years. 528 00:27:04,326 --> 00:27:05,486 And it's a problem for politicians 529 00:27:06,276 --> 00:27:08,416 to sort out questions of social cohesion, 530 00:27:08,456 --> 00:27:11,546 which make it so difficult for people to give evidence. 531 00:27:12,336 --> 00:27:15,346 What you can't do is address a social problem like that 532 00:27:15,386 --> 00:27:18,486 by throwing away the thousand years of legal history 533 00:27:19,276 --> 00:27:21,366 and the protection of the rights of the accused 534 00:27:21,406 --> 00:27:24,486 and by having unfair trials to combat social problems. 535 00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:26,436 It's not a remedy. 536 00:27:27,306 --> 00:27:29,546 Marcus gave me that first phone call 537 00:27:30,336 --> 00:27:32,516 and said, "Mum..." 538 00:27:37,456 --> 00:27:42,566 He said, "Mum... they've found me guilty." 539 00:27:44,286 --> 00:27:46,476 And we both cried together. 540 00:27:48,296 --> 00:27:52,426 He says, "Mum, sometimes when you're in the cell, 541 00:27:53,396 --> 00:27:56,446 "the realisation just hits you right in your face... 542 00:27:57,486 --> 00:27:58,586 "..that you're here." 543 00:27:59,376 --> 00:28:01,446 And he even said to me 544 00:28:01,486 --> 00:28:05,496 that he visualised himself 545 00:28:06,286 --> 00:28:09,426 in nursery and then school... 546 00:28:11,326 --> 00:28:13,406 ..primary school and then secondary school, 547 00:28:13,446 --> 00:28:15,616 and then he said to this. 548 00:28:16,406 --> 00:28:18,616 And it just kind of just knocked him for six. 549 00:28:22,456 --> 00:28:26,456 On the... on... on the streets of Birmingham. 550 00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:29,656 Zilla was cool that we agreed to highlight the case 551 00:28:30,446 --> 00:28:31,546 and used his influence 552 00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:34,446 to bring cameras into the hood for the first time. 553 00:28:34,486 --> 00:28:35,666 Cameras are a no-go in my community, 554 00:28:36,456 --> 00:28:38,666 especially when we are talking about gangs and whatnot, 555 00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:40,676 so today's kind of monumental, really. 556 00:28:42,376 --> 00:28:43,616 What about one of these guys? You're 17. 557 00:28:44,406 --> 00:28:46,486 He's 16. What are you, 15 today? 16 today? 558 00:28:47,276 --> 00:28:50,276 You're 17 today? God, you're getting old, man. 559 00:28:50,316 --> 00:28:52,316 Big-arse youths, as well, man. You're 17. 560 00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:54,466 Stand up next to me, bruv. He's 17, bruv. 561 00:28:54,506 --> 00:28:55,746 What are you eating round here, bruv? 562 00:28:57,366 --> 00:28:59,396 The other side of town that ain't from here, 563 00:28:59,436 --> 00:29:02,476 are they seen as, like, enemies or just like..? 564 00:29:02,516 --> 00:29:03,566 What's your take on it? 565 00:29:04,356 --> 00:29:06,546 Now it's that bad, half of the men can't even go to town. 566 00:29:07,336 --> 00:29:08,516 You have to go to town in a group. 567 00:29:09,306 --> 00:29:10,446 And the police don't like that. 568 00:29:10,486 --> 00:29:12,726 And if you go to town in a group, police are looking to draw you. 569 00:29:13,516 --> 00:29:15,666 You're drawing more attention to yourself. 570 00:29:16,456 --> 00:29:18,656 You don't want that. You're going to buy some clothes. 571 00:29:19,446 --> 00:29:21,636 Once you reach a certain age, you ain't going to Newtown. 572 00:29:22,426 --> 00:29:25,456 They don't know you. When they see you, they think, "Who's this?" 573 00:29:25,496 --> 00:29:27,586 You could be on it, but they just don't know this. 574 00:29:28,376 --> 00:29:30,496 Yeah, like I said, everybody's defensive. 575 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:34,306 All that postcode shit is a bag of bullshit to me. 576 00:29:34,346 --> 00:29:37,396 I don't rep nothin' that owns to the government. Me, myself and I. 577 00:29:37,436 --> 00:29:39,576 You understand it, rude boy, and it's the truth, huh? 578 00:29:48,426 --> 00:29:49,626 I helped start all of this shit, man. 579 00:29:50,416 --> 00:29:52,606 Started all of this shit. You understand what I'm sayin'? 580 00:29:53,396 --> 00:29:56,606 So it's my job to try and fix it, innit? 581 00:29:58,276 --> 00:30:01,376 I won't feel right in myself otherwise. 582 00:30:01,416 --> 00:30:04,496 We're bringing the hood together. Stopping the fucking hood. 583 00:30:05,286 --> 00:30:07,526 Say it like this, say 50 men say, "Yeah, forget it," 584 00:30:08,316 --> 00:30:12,396 but one man out of 50 men, something happens from the past. 585 00:30:12,436 --> 00:30:15,606 Everyone's going back to what they was doing before, innit? 586 00:30:16,396 --> 00:30:18,446 No one's not sticking to what they was doing. 587 00:30:18,486 --> 00:30:19,726 Just go back to what it was before, blood. 588 00:30:20,516 --> 00:30:23,536 If a man thinks he can push my button, 589 00:30:24,326 --> 00:30:27,366 that's a reason to fuck up, cos I'm gonna make an example out of him. 590 00:30:27,406 --> 00:30:29,606 I ain't allowing for anyone to think that I'm a chump, 591 00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:31,596 cos it can't work like that, blood. 592 00:30:32,386 --> 00:30:33,586 It just don't make no sense, blood. 593 00:30:34,376 --> 00:30:37,506 A man violates you. That's one nil to him. 594 00:30:38,296 --> 00:30:41,346 You go and lick down. You think it's one nil to you cos he's dead. 595 00:30:41,386 --> 00:30:43,506 Well, at the end of the day, you're on the run. 596 00:30:44,296 --> 00:30:47,316 Eventually, when you get caught with the thing, you're fucked. 597 00:30:47,356 --> 00:30:48,426 Then you're sitting down. 598 00:30:48,466 --> 00:30:49,566 How have you won? 599 00:30:50,356 --> 00:30:51,496 Your life's fucked, you know. 600 00:30:52,286 --> 00:30:54,496 There's no winners. That's what men need to understand. 601 00:30:58,306 --> 00:31:00,336 We're not meant to be warring like this, bruv. 602 00:31:00,376 --> 00:31:03,596 Forget Birmingham and anything. We're young men. Black brothers. 603 00:31:04,386 --> 00:31:08,446 Fair enough, but when they see you, even so you wanna stop whatever... 604 00:31:08,486 --> 00:31:10,546 - Yeah, bruv. - You know what's gonna happen. 605 00:31:11,336 --> 00:31:13,346 I’m gonna have to be a man. That's what I'm sayin'. 606 00:31:13,386 --> 00:31:15,456 So what, you're supposed to get beat up? 607 00:31:15,496 --> 00:31:17,586 No, this what I'm showing ya. I'm not sayin' that. 608 00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,526 Us elders, we have to link up with their elders 609 00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:23,556 and talk to our youths and they have to talk to their youths. 610 00:31:24,346 --> 00:31:27,366 Don't think it's just us on this side. It's over there, as well. 611 00:31:27,406 --> 00:31:28,576 We have to put this order in place. 612 00:31:29,466 --> 00:31:32,576 Even with having Zilla out, it's been kind of a mission. 613 00:31:34,486 --> 00:31:36,576 Shabba, he ain't got no support. 614 00:31:39,296 --> 00:31:40,526 Hey, yo, we're tryin' to stack a million 615 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:42,336 My life in Brumigan 616 00:31:42,376 --> 00:31:44,376 Code name Zimbo, birth name Simeon 617 00:31:44,416 --> 00:31:46,546 Get money how you can It's not opinion... 618 00:31:48,356 --> 00:31:51,436 There are loads of mandem over there. He's got loads of men against him. 619 00:31:51,476 --> 00:31:53,476 On the phone, I can hear the background 620 00:31:53,516 --> 00:31:54,606 and it sounds like madness, 621 00:31:55,396 --> 00:31:58,626 so for him to keep pushing, I have to respect him. 622 00:31:59,416 --> 00:32:02,526 And I ain't tryin' to be nice, fool I'm tryin' to be real... 623 00:32:03,316 --> 00:32:05,526 People are like, "Fuck the truce and that." 624 00:32:06,316 --> 00:32:09,386 Too much things are happening. Too much bad things have happened. 625 00:32:09,426 --> 00:32:11,496 Smell me I ain't had a wash for two days 626 00:32:12,286 --> 00:32:14,486 Cos I'm out on the street trying to move these 2Ks... 627 00:32:15,276 --> 00:32:17,316 I'm rhymin'... 628 00:32:17,356 --> 00:32:20,416 No one wants a truce. They don't mind having beef. 629 00:32:20,456 --> 00:32:21,506 Man don't mind. 630 00:32:22,296 --> 00:32:24,356 The life that men are living now, we don't care. 631 00:32:24,396 --> 00:32:25,446 It is what it is, innit? 632 00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:27,616 You're talking about truce and this and that, blood. 633 00:32:28,406 --> 00:32:31,436 They're thinking, "You're chatting shit. You're a dickhead. 634 00:32:31,476 --> 00:32:33,526 "When I see this man, I'm gonna fuck him up." 635 00:32:34,316 --> 00:32:37,376 If it's gonna save a couple of youths growing up in the future... 636 00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:40,426 When you're dead, they'll remember me, for what I was about 637 00:32:40,466 --> 00:32:41,586 and for what I was trying to do. 638 00:32:42,376 --> 00:32:44,376 If we all got together today and says, 639 00:32:44,416 --> 00:32:47,616 "Yo, the beef between Burger Bar and Johnsons is done, it's dead," 640 00:32:48,406 --> 00:32:50,406 nothin', nothin' ain't changed. 641 00:32:50,446 --> 00:32:51,466 It's just that... 642 00:32:51,506 --> 00:32:53,676 Not for us it wouldn't, but for the youths it would. 643 00:32:54,466 --> 00:32:56,496 Why do you think it would change for the youths? 644 00:32:57,286 --> 00:33:00,306 They're still gonna be seeing and going through the same shit. 645 00:33:00,346 --> 00:33:02,516 It's just that Johnsons and Burgers haven't got beef. 646 00:33:03,306 --> 00:33:06,336 These little youths in Aston will probably have beef 647 00:33:06,376 --> 00:33:07,606 with them little youths in Newtown now, 648 00:33:08,396 --> 00:33:09,556 cos the mentality's still there. 649 00:33:10,346 --> 00:33:12,536 Every lickle nigger in my ends is on this thing, regardless. 650 00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:15,446 They're down to reppin' this thing. 651 00:33:15,486 --> 00:33:18,676 You phone them, they'd feel like "Wow! They phoned me to come." 652 00:33:19,466 --> 00:33:20,606 I'm rolling. You understand it? 653 00:33:21,396 --> 00:33:23,626 They're passionate about it. What, goin' to jail and dyin'? 654 00:33:24,416 --> 00:33:26,436 That's why we have to push this thing hard. 655 00:33:26,476 --> 00:33:28,696 When I was a kid, I wanted to be the hardest nigger on the road. 656 00:33:29,486 --> 00:33:31,496 I wanted to be a gang banger, sell drugs. 657 00:33:32,286 --> 00:33:34,446 That's what I wanted to do. That was the life, innit? 658 00:33:34,486 --> 00:33:37,486 When I was growing up, my pops weren't there, 659 00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:43,296 so, obviously, where I learnt to do my thing or whatever is on the road. 660 00:33:43,336 --> 00:33:45,366 So, obviously, I'm gonna be a road man. 661 00:33:45,406 --> 00:33:49,456 The only niggers that showed me anything are road men. 662 00:33:49,496 --> 00:33:51,616 I've been gang-banging since I was about 13, bro, 663 00:33:52,406 --> 00:33:53,516 so I don't know nothin' else. 664 00:33:54,306 --> 00:33:56,466 - When you're tellin' men... - Stop what you're doing. 665 00:33:56,506 --> 00:33:57,716 You get me, man? This is the norm now. 666 00:33:58,506 --> 00:34:01,616 It's not even a bad thing to us. It's life. It's not even bad. 667 00:34:11,376 --> 00:34:14,596 Right now, this is about the senseless killing, the idiot thing. 668 00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:18,506 Half these youths, they don't know what this thing's about. 669 00:34:19,296 --> 00:34:22,346 What are they reppin'? What are half of these people reppin'? 670 00:34:22,386 --> 00:34:24,476 I asked them, "What's it about?" They don't know. 671 00:34:24,516 --> 00:34:25,756 You don't know nothin' else. 672 00:34:27,296 --> 00:34:30,336 When you don't know nothin' else, you don't know nothin' else. 673 00:34:30,376 --> 00:34:33,476 How much of us have been suspended from school or expelled? 674 00:34:33,516 --> 00:34:35,656 Yeah, everyone, innit? Everyone, innit? 675 00:34:36,446 --> 00:34:38,676 You're 12, 13. We don't have a dad. 676 00:34:39,466 --> 00:34:41,666 So now we're suspended. We don't need to go back to school. 677 00:34:42,456 --> 00:34:44,686 The school don't want us, so why are we gonna go back to school? 678 00:34:45,476 --> 00:34:48,636 Now we see money. We're seeing older people making money. 679 00:34:49,426 --> 00:34:51,616 Well, we're wanting that. You get me? 680 00:34:52,406 --> 00:34:54,586 We're lost, innit? We've just come up lost, innit? 681 00:34:55,376 --> 00:34:56,556 That's what it boils down to, blood. 682 00:34:57,346 --> 00:34:59,476 We need to be growing young black men, not no niggers. 683 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:00,736 We need to be growing young black men. 684 00:35:02,276 --> 00:35:04,356 Hate it or love it, you're on the internet, Zimbo. 685 00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:07,416 You get 100,000 hits, bruv. You're a role model, B. 686 00:35:08,376 --> 00:35:10,506 You're responsible. You get me? Regardless... 687 00:35:11,296 --> 00:35:14,486 We're responsible for our actions and for the kids coming up. 688 00:35:15,476 --> 00:35:18,656 I've got seven boys, you know, dawg. My biggest boy's nearly 14, bruv. 689 00:35:19,446 --> 00:35:21,586 When I said I'm going to speak to Shabba the first time, 690 00:35:22,376 --> 00:35:24,446 he said "You're mad. You're going to Aston?" 691 00:35:24,486 --> 00:35:26,516 You know, that kind of scared me, blood. 692 00:35:27,306 --> 00:35:29,346 Imagine that. My son said that to me. 693 00:35:29,386 --> 00:35:30,626 Imagine how that scared me, like, yo. 694 00:35:31,416 --> 00:35:34,616 Man, look it's giving me goose bumps now even thinking about it, bruv. 695 00:35:35,406 --> 00:35:36,636 Like, yo, I've seen it, you know, bruv. 696 00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:39,666 I've seen my bredrens leave. I've seen my man twisted up. 697 00:35:40,456 --> 00:35:42,666 I've seen them fucked up. I've seen them in jail doing life. 698 00:35:43,456 --> 00:35:44,646 Imagine my youth could fall into that. 699 00:35:45,436 --> 00:35:47,526 Are you crazy? I have to do something, bruv. 700 00:35:48,316 --> 00:35:51,316 - I think we're fucking ourselves. - We're fucking ourselves! 701 00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:54,416 It's not even the system, the government. It's ourselves, blood. 702 00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:56,646 Bruv, you see blaming people, that's all wasted energy. 703 00:35:57,436 --> 00:35:58,546 Let's make it happen, innit? 704 00:35:59,336 --> 00:36:01,556 If we deal with the real issues, what's really going on, 705 00:36:02,346 --> 00:36:07,396 that's what I'm passionate about, changing the way niggers think, 706 00:36:07,436 --> 00:36:08,656 changing the way we're living, innit? 707 00:36:09,446 --> 00:36:11,446 By coming at us with the truce thing, 708 00:36:11,486 --> 00:36:13,676 we ain't listening to another word you gotta say. 709 00:36:18,396 --> 00:36:21,526 All this conflict resolution stuff is a lot harder than I thought. 710 00:36:27,466 --> 00:36:30,656 James Purnell, who's producing this documentary, is an ex-MP. 711 00:36:31,446 --> 00:36:34,466 James says he has somebody who could help or give us advice. 712 00:36:42,416 --> 00:36:44,466 This person is Jonathan Powell. 713 00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:46,696 He helped broker the Peace Treaty in Northern Ireland. 714 00:36:47,486 --> 00:36:49,626 One of the things I did was Northern Ireland peace talks 715 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,466 because when Blair came in in '97, 716 00:36:52,506 --> 00:36:54,676 it had gone back to violence - the IRA started killing. 717 00:36:55,466 --> 00:36:56,696 the big bomb in Canary Wharf 718 00:36:57,486 --> 00:37:00,566 and a bunch of bombs in Northern Ireland. 719 00:37:01,356 --> 00:37:03,496 Tony Blair managed to get them back into peace talks 720 00:37:04,286 --> 00:37:05,426 and then in about a year, 721 00:37:05,466 --> 00:37:06,696 we got them to the Good Friday Agreement 722 00:37:07,486 --> 00:37:09,606 where they finally signed off on a peace agreement. 723 00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:12,446 I guess that's kind of what you're facing, 724 00:37:12,486 --> 00:37:15,716 cos if you're going to make this stop after all these years, 725 00:37:16,506 --> 00:37:18,576 it's not something you do in two or three weeks. 726 00:37:19,366 --> 00:37:21,546 it's something that's going to take a very long time. 727 00:37:22,336 --> 00:37:25,496 We're not a threat to the government. We're not shooting police. 728 00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:27,376 That makes it harder for us. 729 00:37:27,416 --> 00:37:30,566 Whereas the government could think, "They're not bothering us." 730 00:37:31,356 --> 00:37:32,546 That's the problem, everyone thinks, 731 00:37:33,336 --> 00:37:35,416 "They're killing each other. Why would we care?" 732 00:37:35,456 --> 00:37:38,496 They're not going to invest in it, as a way of stopping, 733 00:37:39,286 --> 00:37:41,306 so you'll have to do it yourselves. 734 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:44,546 Some of these mans are hard work. It's hard work. Ignorant. 735 00:37:45,336 --> 00:37:47,376 Nothing to live for. Nothing to look up to. 736 00:37:47,416 --> 00:37:48,556 No role models in their lives. 737 00:37:49,346 --> 00:37:50,566 So it's hard to get through it. 738 00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:53,496 It's been this way for so long. It's what they know. 739 00:37:54,286 --> 00:37:56,406 They're just comfortable in that. 740 00:37:56,446 --> 00:37:58,646 They don't see no need for no change or nothing like that, 741 00:37:59,436 --> 00:38:03,436 so the hard part is basically getting a vision across of the bigger picture 742 00:38:03,476 --> 00:38:05,666 of like, you know, what we really should be doing. 743 00:38:06,456 --> 00:38:08,646 What I worry about is looking like you're surrendering, 744 00:38:09,436 --> 00:38:12,456 because that's always a problem - how you persuade both sides. 745 00:38:12,496 --> 00:38:14,576 The big-man thing to do is not to shoot someone, 746 00:38:15,366 --> 00:38:19,486 it's to actually draw a line now, not have anything from now on, 747 00:38:20,276 --> 00:38:23,446 and something will happen and you need some way of diffusing it. 748 00:38:23,486 --> 00:38:26,686 In North Belfast, a leader, Gerry Kelly, who used to be in the IRA, 749 00:38:27,476 --> 00:38:30,556 escaped from jail three times - once in Ireland, twice from British jails. 750 00:38:31,346 --> 00:38:33,506 Gerry Kelly, at one stage, had to stand, 751 00:38:34,296 --> 00:38:36,366 holding back a whole crowd of young Catholics 752 00:38:36,406 --> 00:38:37,486 who wanted to attack. 753 00:38:38,276 --> 00:38:40,316 Some of the more crazy ones started shooting at him, 754 00:38:40,356 --> 00:38:42,386 rather than at the police or at the Loyalists. 755 00:38:42,426 --> 00:38:44,536 He had to put himself on the line to stop that from happening. 756 00:38:45,326 --> 00:38:48,466 My warning is the first steps are easier than further on. 757 00:38:48,506 --> 00:38:49,676 If you start losing faith in it, 758 00:38:50,466 --> 00:38:53,526 I just urge you to keep faith and to have patience in doing it 759 00:38:54,316 --> 00:38:58,376 and absorb a certain amount of pain in doing it, because you'll have to. 760 00:38:58,416 --> 00:39:01,556 But it's really, really worth it. You can change. You can make it. 761 00:39:02,346 --> 00:39:03,486 You're not part of the solution, 762 00:39:04,276 --> 00:39:05,356 you're part of the problem. 763 00:39:05,396 --> 00:39:06,566 I know where your head's at, blood. 764 00:39:07,356 --> 00:39:09,476 I know you're on this thing and you're a down nigger, 765 00:39:09,516 --> 00:39:12,716 but I know you'd like to get involved in something like this, blood. 766 00:39:13,506 --> 00:39:16,516 People are trying to help us. That's what I want you to know, blood. 767 00:39:17,306 --> 00:39:18,386 I ain't gonna bullshit you. 768 00:39:18,426 --> 00:39:21,466 That's why I want you to come to the meeting - to see for yourself. 769 00:39:21,506 --> 00:39:23,596 These are proper MPs, people that rub shoulders 770 00:39:24,386 --> 00:39:26,516 with Tony Blair and Parliament - proper big people. 771 00:39:27,306 --> 00:39:30,526 So if that's not good enough for you to say you're from the hood... 772 00:39:31,316 --> 00:39:32,386 You know like they say, 773 00:39:32,426 --> 00:39:35,466 "Bring the Queen down. I wanna talk to her direct..."? 774 00:39:35,506 --> 00:39:36,746 How high up do you need to be going, blood? 775 00:39:38,286 --> 00:39:40,336 Who do you wanna get your message across to? 776 00:39:40,376 --> 00:39:42,376 These people are prepared to help us. 777 00:39:42,416 --> 00:39:45,546 I know some are saying, "Fuck that." You shouldn't look at it like that. 778 00:39:46,336 --> 00:39:47,456 You know... 779 00:39:50,396 --> 00:39:51,486 Yeah! 780 00:39:53,406 --> 00:39:56,446 The next time we see my face, we could have, like, 40 men. 781 00:39:56,486 --> 00:39:57,516 Like, who knows? 782 00:40:01,346 --> 00:40:03,556 That's one thing we're opening the door to. 783 00:40:10,336 --> 00:40:12,436 Do you not wanna get involved, blood, seriously? 784 00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:15,396 Don't keep saying I'm doing my thing, blood, 785 00:40:15,436 --> 00:40:16,646 cos it's not my thing, blood. 786 00:40:18,286 --> 00:40:20,356 You know I'm having problems on this side. 787 00:40:20,396 --> 00:40:22,486 No one listens. That's why I say I need support. 788 00:40:23,276 --> 00:40:24,426 They've got their thing mapped out. 789 00:40:24,466 --> 00:40:26,546 Over on this side, everyone's like, "No." 790 00:40:27,336 --> 00:40:28,486 I don't know what you want me to do. 791 00:40:29,276 --> 00:40:30,506 I need someone like you or Nuggz, Sharp, 792 00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:32,386 someone to back me up, blood. 793 00:40:32,426 --> 00:40:33,476 See what's going on. 794 00:40:33,516 --> 00:40:36,636 If you think there's money, you get the money, as well, then, innit? 795 00:40:37,426 --> 00:40:38,566 If that's what you believe. 796 00:40:39,356 --> 00:40:41,436 As long as you're here, it's not gonna harm you. 797 00:40:44,276 --> 00:40:46,456 I didn't say no one ain't gonna harm you, blood. 798 00:40:46,496 --> 00:40:49,616 Who said anything about harming you, blood? 799 00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:52,436 No, I didn't say that. 800 00:40:53,366 --> 00:40:54,606 Did I say that no one is gonna harm ya? 801 00:40:55,396 --> 00:40:57,526 What am I gonna say someone will harm you for, blood? 802 00:40:59,436 --> 00:41:01,676 I said it's not gonna harm you to come down. That's what I said. 803 00:41:04,476 --> 00:41:05,476 Who? 804 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:09,616 What are you on about, blood? 805 00:41:10,406 --> 00:41:11,566 Blood, I'm saying... 806 00:41:16,416 --> 00:41:18,566 Different day same shit when I wakin' up 807 00:41:19,356 --> 00:41:22,356 Lyin' in my bed Wishin' that I never woken up 808 00:41:22,396 --> 00:41:24,486 I've got this father that I never ever see 809 00:41:25,276 --> 00:41:27,506 And the only time I see this little prick is in my dreams 810 00:41:28,296 --> 00:41:30,476 Every day I'm wonderin' "Has he forgot about me?" 811 00:41:30,516 --> 00:41:32,756 Every night I'm on me knees askin', "God, why me?" 812 00:41:34,296 --> 00:41:37,296 Mum don't want her son to be taken by the streets 813 00:41:37,336 --> 00:41:38,516 But this is the life I lead 814 00:41:39,306 --> 00:41:41,466 So it's kind of beat wonderin' if people will miss me 815 00:41:41,506 --> 00:41:42,556 When I'm 6ft deep 816 00:41:43,346 --> 00:41:45,466 Tossin' in my grave cos I can't rest in peace 817 00:41:45,506 --> 00:41:47,716 I've got so much demons surroundin' me 818 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:51,586 So I call on Most High to come and rescue me... 819 00:41:55,446 --> 00:41:57,466 Today we're going to speak to the youngsters, 820 00:41:57,506 --> 00:41:58,646 who are my sons' friends. 821 00:42:02,276 --> 00:42:04,316 They've got friends that have been stabbed, 822 00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:05,466 but nobody's actually died. 823 00:42:05,506 --> 00:42:07,726 They haven't got the pain and don't feel that revenge yet. 824 00:42:09,336 --> 00:42:11,476 So we have to get to them before it's too late. 825 00:42:14,416 --> 00:42:16,466 You're aware of what's going on, innit? 826 00:42:16,506 --> 00:42:19,666 And I know you're getting slowly but surely close to it, innit? 827 00:42:20,456 --> 00:42:22,536 I look over my shoulder in this area even... 828 00:42:24,406 --> 00:42:26,476 Every three to four seconds. 829 00:42:26,516 --> 00:42:28,636 I ain't tryin' to wish no death or nothin'. 830 00:42:31,346 --> 00:42:33,386 Anything could be round the corner, really... 831 00:42:34,386 --> 00:42:36,576 Anything, anything could be around the corner. 832 00:42:37,366 --> 00:42:38,556 - How old are you lot? - 15 and a half. 833 00:42:39,346 --> 00:42:40,396 15. 834 00:42:40,436 --> 00:42:41,666 That kind of age group... They're all 15. 835 00:42:42,456 --> 00:42:43,606 You understand what I'm sayin'? 836 00:42:44,396 --> 00:42:46,416 What do you know about growing up on the ends? 837 00:42:46,456 --> 00:42:48,646 All the beef, the "man dem", the "bwoy dem" and, yeah.... 838 00:42:49,436 --> 00:42:52,476 Started to like know about it from, like, Year Seven onwards. 839 00:42:52,516 --> 00:42:53,716 Year Seven, that's what I'm sayin'. 840 00:42:54,506 --> 00:42:56,596 11 and that thing. Same with all of that, as well. 841 00:42:58,386 --> 00:42:59,596 My bredren got stabbed the other day. 842 00:43:01,436 --> 00:43:02,636 - Over the gang stuff? - Yeah. 843 00:43:03,426 --> 00:43:04,426 Yeah. 844 00:43:04,466 --> 00:43:07,626 It was in Aston. Yeah, Aston. That's what I'm sayin'. 845 00:43:09,406 --> 00:43:12,406 You can go to that area, but if you get caught slipping, then... 846 00:43:15,376 --> 00:43:17,396 You've gotta do something about it, innit? 847 00:43:18,336 --> 00:43:19,566 Because of, like, the pride, as well. 848 00:43:20,356 --> 00:43:22,546 We gotta keep the pride. I'd probably die if my pride died. 849 00:43:23,336 --> 00:43:24,436 That's why it escalates. 850 00:43:24,476 --> 00:43:26,486 Say something happened to my man here, 851 00:43:27,276 --> 00:43:29,456 then, obviously, we'll all go back. 852 00:43:30,416 --> 00:43:32,616 It'll escalate and then if we do something to them, 853 00:43:33,406 --> 00:43:34,646 then they try and do something to us. 854 00:43:37,316 --> 00:43:39,326 Like, if he had a fight or he got rushed, 855 00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:41,456 I'd go back there straightaway, not thinking. 856 00:43:42,416 --> 00:43:44,646 If it's just us two and there was ten of them, I'd go there. 857 00:43:45,436 --> 00:43:47,626 Probably might die or whatever. That's what I mean. 858 00:43:49,366 --> 00:43:50,526 You just don't think, do you? 859 00:43:52,456 --> 00:43:55,546 You don't hesitate to do things. It just happens. 860 00:43:56,336 --> 00:43:57,366 They can't afford guns. 861 00:43:57,406 --> 00:44:00,406 It's not that easy to get guns, regardless of what people think. 862 00:44:00,446 --> 00:44:03,556 So they've all got little knives and they will poke you up with it. 863 00:44:04,346 --> 00:44:06,476 You poke the wrong artery, you will bleed to death, 864 00:44:06,516 --> 00:44:08,576 unless you make it to the hospital in seconds. 865 00:44:09,366 --> 00:44:10,436 It's impossible. 866 00:44:10,476 --> 00:44:13,476 Don't you think that's a waste of life? 867 00:44:13,516 --> 00:44:14,526 Yeah... 868 00:44:16,276 --> 00:44:20,306 I don't see it as a waste of life. It's just... I don't know. 869 00:44:20,346 --> 00:44:22,396 - That is life. - Yeah. 870 00:44:22,436 --> 00:44:23,586 Yeah. 871 00:44:24,376 --> 00:44:27,396 It's just a way of life that we know. 872 00:44:40,516 --> 00:44:43,566 After filming on that day, I had phone calls. 873 00:44:44,356 --> 00:44:47,376 There were people that wasn't too happy with what we was filming 874 00:44:47,416 --> 00:44:49,596 and some people didn't understand what the message was, 875 00:44:50,386 --> 00:44:52,516 so it made them kind of hostile to what we was doing. 876 00:44:56,516 --> 00:44:58,556 If we don't get through certain mindsets, 877 00:44:59,346 --> 00:45:01,376 it can be a serious thing, you understand? 878 00:45:01,416 --> 00:45:03,546 I mean, I'm not worried for myself. 879 00:45:04,336 --> 00:45:06,506 I'm not saying, "I'm Superman. No one can shoot me." 880 00:45:07,296 --> 00:45:09,316 Anyone can get killed, anyone can get shot, 881 00:45:09,356 --> 00:45:11,356 but I ain't worried for myself like that. 882 00:45:12,496 --> 00:45:14,646 I don't know, but I worry for him. 883 00:45:15,506 --> 00:45:18,516 You understand what I'm sayin'? If people come to, like... 884 00:45:19,306 --> 00:45:23,536 He will be the target. 100%. Do you understand what I'm sayin'? 885 00:45:24,326 --> 00:45:25,446 I told him on the phone. 886 00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:27,586 I said, "Listen, tell D boy I'm gonna kill him." 887 00:45:28,376 --> 00:45:31,376 Not calling no names or nothin', but you know... 888 00:45:31,416 --> 00:45:32,456 And like... 889 00:45:33,516 --> 00:45:36,686 They've got the place in their hand. You have the whole hood in your hand. 890 00:45:37,476 --> 00:45:40,536 You say, "Jump," and they say, "How high?" That's the reality of it. 891 00:45:41,326 --> 00:45:43,446 So that's why it's up to man to be responsible 892 00:45:43,486 --> 00:45:44,646 and make things right, innit? 893 00:45:51,516 --> 00:45:52,616 So, what's up? 894 00:45:53,406 --> 00:45:55,456 We've kind of hit kind of a brick wall. 895 00:45:55,496 --> 00:45:57,716 Like, my mum's windows got smashed out 896 00:45:58,506 --> 00:46:02,506 and, like, the night before, like, a 17-year-old kind of died. 897 00:46:03,296 --> 00:46:05,356 So I don't know about all this truce stuff. 898 00:46:05,396 --> 00:46:07,536 Right now, basically, the truce thing, like, 899 00:46:08,326 --> 00:46:09,476 it's not gonna happen, innit? 900 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:10,586 It's just long. 901 00:46:11,376 --> 00:46:13,526 You know, whoever did it knows who they are, innit? 902 00:46:15,376 --> 00:46:16,506 Dickhead business. 903 00:46:17,296 --> 00:46:19,316 Punk business, bredren. Punk business. 904 00:46:19,356 --> 00:46:21,446 - You understand? - Look at the size difference. 905 00:46:21,486 --> 00:46:24,716 This is why they try and pick up on lickle D boy. You get me? 906 00:46:25,506 --> 00:46:26,586 But just forget it, innit? 907 00:46:27,376 --> 00:46:29,406 It's a girl business, innit, like I say. 908 00:46:29,446 --> 00:46:31,546 They didn't pick on me. They went to my mum's house. 909 00:46:32,336 --> 00:46:34,396 My mother's house. I don't even live there. 910 00:46:34,436 --> 00:46:37,446 You've gone to my mum's house. Do you understand it? For what? 911 00:46:37,486 --> 00:46:40,636 Now the big issue is a youth died yesterday night. 912 00:46:41,426 --> 00:46:43,556 I woke up in the morning at seven o'clock. 913 00:46:44,346 --> 00:46:48,526 My son said to me, "Dad, a boy's got killed. My friend's got killed." 914 00:46:49,316 --> 00:46:51,386 These are the things we're trying to prevent. 915 00:46:51,426 --> 00:46:52,646 It's just going on right in front of us 916 00:46:53,436 --> 00:46:54,656 and it's just raw and it's kind of... 917 00:46:55,446 --> 00:46:58,636 Tried to do something that I thought was gonna benefit everyone, 918 00:46:59,426 --> 00:47:01,666 but, obviously, some people don't see the vision. 919 00:47:02,456 --> 00:47:04,586 We just want a better future for the youth coming up. 920 00:47:05,376 --> 00:47:07,506 We don't want them jumping on a bush that we jumped on. 921 00:47:08,296 --> 00:47:11,416 We need to uplift ourselves and do something. Understand? 922 00:47:11,456 --> 00:47:13,466 Look around. Like, we don't own nothin'. 923 00:47:13,506 --> 00:47:15,596 Look on the Ansell Road, all those places, 924 00:47:16,386 --> 00:47:17,436 niggers don't own shit. 925 00:47:17,476 --> 00:47:18,636 You understand what I'm sayin'? 926 00:47:19,426 --> 00:47:21,486 Man wanna inspire the youths to be something, 927 00:47:22,276 --> 00:47:24,326 so when they get to them ages, they own shops, 928 00:47:24,366 --> 00:47:27,536 they've got that mind where they say, "Why should I go on the road? 929 00:47:28,326 --> 00:47:31,416 "Why don't I go college? Why don't I aspire to be something?" 930 00:47:35,346 --> 00:47:36,486 What are we doing, Dylan? 931 00:47:37,276 --> 00:47:40,506 We're gonna walk over by that dome and meet the kids. 932 00:47:41,496 --> 00:47:42,606 Where's the rest of your gang? 933 00:47:44,286 --> 00:47:45,426 Down there on the thing. 934 00:47:52,516 --> 00:47:54,756 A couple of days ago, when I was saying talk to the kids 935 00:47:56,296 --> 00:47:57,526 before their friends die or something... 936 00:47:58,316 --> 00:48:00,506 These kids have got that in them - "They killed my friend." 937 00:48:01,296 --> 00:48:02,436 They've always got a reason now. 938 00:48:02,476 --> 00:48:04,506 Every time you tell them something, 939 00:48:05,296 --> 00:48:07,446 they'll tell you, "But he killed my friend." 940 00:48:11,306 --> 00:48:13,356 When people in normal society get murdered, 941 00:48:13,396 --> 00:48:16,496 there's a whole campaign, there's rewards put up. 942 00:48:18,276 --> 00:48:20,316 But when people in my community get murdered, 943 00:48:20,356 --> 00:48:21,596 it doesn't even make the news. 944 00:48:22,386 --> 00:48:23,436 You're just dead. 945 00:48:31,466 --> 00:48:34,606 We saw you two days ago and nothing had happened then. 946 00:48:36,356 --> 00:48:37,566 It's really shocking. 947 00:48:39,376 --> 00:48:41,476 Like, my friend, Shyheim, 948 00:48:41,516 --> 00:48:44,666 he got fucking... stabbed for... 949 00:48:45,456 --> 00:48:47,696 He owed him money for some reason. Do you know the story? 950 00:48:48,486 --> 00:48:49,606 Nah. 951 00:48:51,406 --> 00:48:54,566 Like, it hit one of his main arteries and it bled out too much, 952 00:48:55,356 --> 00:48:56,516 like five pints of blood. 953 00:49:00,406 --> 00:49:01,606 How did you hear about it? 954 00:49:02,396 --> 00:49:03,446 Oh, on BB. 955 00:49:03,486 --> 00:49:05,676 Like, everyone just kept putting up, 956 00:49:06,466 --> 00:49:08,466 like, "RIP Shyheim" and "RIP Tricks." 957 00:49:08,506 --> 00:49:10,506 But I thought it was a joke thing at first. 958 00:49:12,306 --> 00:49:15,456 "To all the people on BB, this should be a wake-up call to you. 959 00:49:15,496 --> 00:49:16,556 "Rest in peace, Shy." 960 00:49:20,286 --> 00:49:23,456 What does that make you feel like you wanna do or think? 961 00:49:23,496 --> 00:49:24,656 This is real life, isn't it? 962 00:49:25,446 --> 00:49:26,466 This ain't a game. 963 00:49:26,506 --> 00:49:27,746 It's real life. Life ain't a game. 964 00:49:32,426 --> 00:49:33,496 Yeah. 965 00:49:36,356 --> 00:49:37,486 Scary world. 966 00:49:39,286 --> 00:49:41,496 Real talk, I'm not even involved in the gang thing, really. 967 00:49:42,286 --> 00:49:43,306 It's all about money. 968 00:49:43,346 --> 00:49:46,456 Just because I'm from Handsworth, I wouldn't want one of them to bully me 969 00:49:46,496 --> 00:49:47,596 because I'm from Handsworth. 970 00:49:48,386 --> 00:49:51,526 But you told me it was about girls and every girl likes a tough boy. 971 00:49:52,316 --> 00:49:53,476 No, that's, like, part of it. 972 00:49:53,516 --> 00:49:55,706 That was... That was... That was back in the day! 973 00:49:56,496 --> 00:49:57,666 Cut! Cut! 974 00:49:58,456 --> 00:50:01,506 It was about, to me, I was trying to look cool for girls, 975 00:50:02,296 --> 00:50:06,456 so I throw a gang sign just to impress the girls, innit? 976 00:50:06,496 --> 00:50:10,536 But now you're growing up thinking, "Girls are just shadows to me." 977 00:50:11,326 --> 00:50:12,406 I walk and left them. 978 00:50:12,446 --> 00:50:13,606 I don't chase them, I replace 'em! 979 00:50:14,396 --> 00:50:16,476 Yeah, yeah! Change 'em like socks! 980 00:50:20,456 --> 00:50:21,616 After Shyheim was murdered, 981 00:50:22,406 --> 00:50:26,456 there were four days of violence, stabbings and shootings, 982 00:50:26,496 --> 00:50:29,646 not connected directly to Shyheim, but the violence was terrible. 983 00:50:30,436 --> 00:50:32,676 There was a shooting and a two-year-old girl was trampled on, 984 00:50:33,466 --> 00:50:35,626 as people tried to escape the gunshots ringing out. 985 00:50:36,416 --> 00:50:37,526 That's what the text said, 986 00:50:38,316 --> 00:50:40,486 the two-year-old or three-year-old that got trampled 987 00:50:41,276 --> 00:50:42,386 is in a critical condition. 988 00:50:42,426 --> 00:50:43,516 That's what the text said. 989 00:50:44,306 --> 00:50:46,456 They must have heard the gunshots and everybody ran. 990 00:50:46,496 --> 00:50:49,496 But the buggy must have fell over, the kid tripped over, 991 00:50:50,286 --> 00:50:53,406 and while everybody's running, they probably never even noticed. 992 00:50:53,446 --> 00:50:54,516 In the last four days or so, 993 00:50:55,306 --> 00:50:57,416 how many shootings and stabbings has there been? 994 00:50:57,456 --> 00:50:59,456 There's been like... 995 00:50:59,496 --> 00:51:00,696 I've heard a couple of shootings. 996 00:51:01,486 --> 00:51:03,716 I've only heard the one stabbing, that was a fatality, 997 00:51:04,506 --> 00:51:06,536 but I've heard a couple of shootings. 998 00:51:07,326 --> 00:51:09,446 A couple of stabbings. Somebody's arm got severed. 999 00:51:09,486 --> 00:51:10,626 That was nothing to do with gangs, 1000 00:51:11,416 --> 00:51:12,606 but I did hear a young man's arm and leg 1001 00:51:13,396 --> 00:51:14,536 got severed, was hanging off. 1002 00:51:15,326 --> 00:51:17,476 I don't know the full ins and outs. There's been a lot. 1003 00:51:17,516 --> 00:51:20,566 How many things do you know about that happened in the last few days? 1004 00:51:21,356 --> 00:51:23,386 That stabbing. Someone died the other day. 1005 00:51:23,426 --> 00:51:26,596 A stabbing and a shooting in a club the other day. 1006 00:51:27,386 --> 00:51:28,596 I don't know how much people got shot. 1007 00:51:29,386 --> 00:51:32,386 I've heard five, I've heard four, but I know people got shot. 1008 00:51:32,426 --> 00:51:33,576 I'm just statin' the facts 1009 00:51:34,366 --> 00:51:35,476 Talkin' about reality 1010 00:51:35,516 --> 00:51:37,736 Whole leap of casualties Bag of fatalities 1011 00:51:39,276 --> 00:51:41,436 It's fucked up But this is the life we live 1012 00:51:41,476 --> 00:51:43,646 This ain't the type of life that you want for your kids 1013 00:51:44,436 --> 00:51:47,516 Little young tugs screamin' out, "Dawg, fuck the pigs" 1014 00:51:48,306 --> 00:51:51,326 14 and stressin' cos he can't buy kicks... 1015 00:51:52,406 --> 00:51:55,506 It's mad how being in a situation, 1016 00:51:56,296 --> 00:51:58,306 being in the wrong place at the wrong time 1017 00:51:58,346 --> 00:51:59,446 does mess up your whole life. 1018 00:51:59,486 --> 00:52:00,576 What do you mean? 1019 00:52:05,426 --> 00:52:07,486 We're more harsh on our own people. 1020 00:52:07,586 --> 00:52:10,546 You get me? My friend got stabbed... Wednesday? 1021 00:52:12,306 --> 00:52:13,326 Died on the night. 1022 00:52:13,366 --> 00:52:15,416 Was that the boy that was stabbed to death? 1023 00:52:15,456 --> 00:52:20,526 Yeah, yeah, my friend Shyheim, man, and it's all cos of... hype. 1024 00:52:22,456 --> 00:52:23,666 People ain't got no morals no more. 1025 00:52:24,456 --> 00:52:26,456 Imagine getting dragged out your car 1026 00:52:26,496 --> 00:52:29,496 when your family member is there and getting stabbed up. 1027 00:52:30,286 --> 00:52:33,296 This ain't Cali. Is it Cali now? Is it California now? 1028 00:52:34,476 --> 00:52:36,546 Look at that. Waste of two lives, innit? 1029 00:52:37,336 --> 00:52:40,406 The youth's mother and family in jail, as well, they're feeling it, 1030 00:52:40,446 --> 00:52:42,566 and I'm not condoning him for stabbing this guy, 1031 00:52:43,356 --> 00:52:45,386 but I know he didn't mean to kill the youth. 1032 00:52:45,426 --> 00:52:46,506 They stabbed him in his leg. 1033 00:52:47,296 --> 00:52:49,526 It's not like he went AWOL and stabbed him in his neck and face. 1034 00:52:50,316 --> 00:52:51,546 He stabbed him in his leg, just thinking, 1035 00:52:52,336 --> 00:52:54,496 "Let me just preps him and let him know I want my money." 1036 00:52:55,286 --> 00:52:57,416 They licked a main artery and now the youth's dead. 1037 00:52:57,456 --> 00:53:00,466 Stab people... Your whole body is full of main arteries, innit? 1038 00:53:00,506 --> 00:53:03,656 You hit somebody in the wrong place, you get me, you miss 'em. 1039 00:53:05,376 --> 00:53:08,376 Let me show you something, as well. Let me show you something. 1040 00:53:09,406 --> 00:53:10,456 Like... 1041 00:53:12,306 --> 00:53:14,536 You know, the grave looks nice and it's all pretty and nice. 1042 00:53:15,326 --> 00:53:16,326 It's all nice. 1043 00:53:16,366 --> 00:53:19,376 But you have to understand, there's a youth lying in there, 1044 00:53:19,416 --> 00:53:20,556 that was alive like me and him, 1045 00:53:21,346 --> 00:53:24,436 breathing and speaking... living. 1046 00:53:25,306 --> 00:53:26,456 He's in there dead. 1047 00:53:26,496 --> 00:53:30,636 Like, in a box, in a hole, in the ground. 1048 00:53:38,386 --> 00:53:40,406 Life's just gone. 1049 00:53:40,446 --> 00:53:42,456 You know what I'm sayin'? It's just gone. 1050 00:53:42,496 --> 00:53:45,686 No, we're not gonna see Shy again. Do you get me? 1051 00:53:52,326 --> 00:53:55,556 If Heaven was a place on Earth then I'll go, then I'll go 1052 00:53:56,346 --> 00:53:57,426 No matter how far 1053 00:53:57,466 --> 00:53:58,576 I would fill the tank in my car 1054 00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:01,426 And I'll roll and I'll roll 1055 00:54:01,466 --> 00:54:03,626 Cos where I'm from there's a lot of sad faces 1056 00:54:04,416 --> 00:54:06,486 A lot of us had to live with the basics 1057 00:54:07,276 --> 00:54:09,396 And this heart thinks we've got to face the places 1058 00:54:09,436 --> 00:54:11,616 I know, I know... 1059 00:54:23,366 --> 00:54:25,536 No one wants to come to the table and see what's going on. 1060 00:54:26,326 --> 00:54:29,466 Everyone's making up what they think it's about or I've heard this... 1061 00:54:29,506 --> 00:54:32,546 No one ain't been a big man and said, "I'm gonna see for myself." 1062 00:54:33,336 --> 00:54:35,396 Only them geezers on the other side. 1063 00:54:37,296 --> 00:54:38,476 So do you want me to come link you? 1064 00:54:40,326 --> 00:54:41,516 Do you want me to come link you now? 1065 00:54:43,426 --> 00:54:44,516 What park? 1066 00:54:46,356 --> 00:54:49,386 Where they do the running? Where they used to do the relays? 1067 00:54:50,396 --> 00:54:51,556 I'll come there now. 1068 00:54:54,506 --> 00:54:56,736 Go see 'em and if... yeah. He's with couple of people, innit? 1069 00:54:58,276 --> 00:55:00,486 Yeah, but, I mean, I'm really fed up with going to people 1070 00:55:01,276 --> 00:55:03,356 and they're going, "Turn the cameras off." 1071 00:55:03,396 --> 00:55:04,496 It's just a waste of time. 1072 00:55:05,286 --> 00:55:07,506 I'm not saying go with no camera. See what they're saying. 1073 00:55:08,296 --> 00:55:10,476 - So, who is it? - He's with a couple of people. 1074 00:55:10,516 --> 00:55:12,536 - What, Zimbo? - Yeah. 1075 00:55:13,326 --> 00:55:15,366 Yeah. Do you think it's worth it, though? 1076 00:55:15,406 --> 00:55:17,466 It's whether you think it's worth it, innit? 1077 00:55:17,506 --> 00:55:18,736 I'd go and see what he's saying. 1078 00:55:20,276 --> 00:55:22,416 Yeah? OK. 1079 00:55:23,506 --> 00:55:24,696 So we'll give it a go, then. 1080 00:55:25,486 --> 00:55:26,576 Well, fuck knows. 1081 00:55:33,476 --> 00:55:35,476 - There's a carnival tomorrow. - Yeah. 1082 00:55:35,516 --> 00:55:38,716 And everyone's expecting for the carnival to be the same thing. 1083 00:55:39,506 --> 00:55:41,686 We're gonna go there, a lot of black kids are gonna end up 1084 00:55:42,476 --> 00:55:44,556 breaking up the carnival and rare tear, tear. 1085 00:55:45,346 --> 00:55:46,506 We don't wanna see that, man. 1086 00:55:47,296 --> 00:55:48,496 What do people think is gonna happen? 1087 00:55:49,286 --> 00:55:52,286 People think there are gonna be gang fights, stuff like that. 1088 00:55:52,326 --> 00:55:55,336 It's just another day in Handsworth or another day in Newtown. 1089 00:55:55,376 --> 00:55:57,516 You know what I'm tryin' to say? Just another day. 1090 00:55:58,306 --> 00:56:02,426 What becomes terrible to you lot becomes everyday to us. 1091 00:56:02,466 --> 00:56:03,706 Carnival tomorrow and thing, you get me? 1092 00:56:04,496 --> 00:56:05,606 - You get me? - Oh, gosh. 1093 00:56:06,396 --> 00:56:11,396 Yo, bare, bare babies right there. They're all barefaced with y'all. 1094 00:56:11,436 --> 00:56:12,526 Tomorrow's gonna be mad! 1095 00:56:13,316 --> 00:56:16,326 Hopefully, it should run smoothly, but I guarantee tomorrow, 1096 00:56:16,366 --> 00:56:18,396 there's gonna be at least one fight. 1097 00:56:18,436 --> 00:56:20,626 Not even fight.. Shots gonna be busting and all kinds of... 1098 00:56:21,416 --> 00:56:23,556 - Gunshots, bullets. - You know what I'm sayin'? 1099 00:56:24,346 --> 00:56:27,476 Fingers crossed, it's a nice day. Everybody has fun. 1100 00:56:32,486 --> 00:56:33,496 Cos Handsworth is B21, 1101 00:56:34,286 --> 00:56:36,466 Burger Bar side of town, there's rumours saying the guys 1102 00:56:36,506 --> 00:56:38,556 from the other side of town are gonna come in 1103 00:56:39,346 --> 00:56:41,586 and try and shoot up the place or try and get into it. 1104 00:56:42,376 --> 00:56:43,606 It's gonna go off at the carnival. 1105 00:56:44,396 --> 00:56:46,416 So that's a big worry for people. Madness. 1106 00:56:46,456 --> 00:56:49,476 "Come to carnival with your trainers and a bulletproof vest." 1107 00:56:49,516 --> 00:56:50,726 That's what's on BlackBerry. 1108 00:56:51,516 --> 00:56:53,676 Hopefully, everything goes well, nice and peaceful. 1109 00:56:54,466 --> 00:56:55,536 Have a lovely day. 1110 00:56:56,326 --> 00:56:58,526 Everywhere I go, I have these kids asking me questions, 1111 00:56:59,316 --> 00:57:03,436 "Flash, do you do this?" "Flash, give out the guns." 1112 00:57:03,476 --> 00:57:05,486 I couldn't get involved in no gun fights. 1113 00:57:06,276 --> 00:57:08,356 They listen. I have a voice that they listen to. 1114 00:57:08,396 --> 00:57:10,536 So make them hear the right things, innit? 1115 00:57:11,326 --> 00:57:13,376 Guns, make sure you don't touch them, innit? 1116 00:57:13,416 --> 00:57:14,636 Real talk. Big and serious, like. 1117 00:57:15,426 --> 00:57:17,576 That's why Flash survived, cos he didn't have the gun. 1118 00:57:18,366 --> 00:57:20,376 Never got involved in the gunfight. 1119 00:57:20,416 --> 00:57:21,656 You did. You gave the little boy the gun. 1120 00:57:22,446 --> 00:57:24,646 Yeah, I know and he left it, didn't he? 1121 00:57:25,436 --> 00:57:26,546 That's why Flash survived, 1122 00:57:27,336 --> 00:57:29,386 cos he didn't get involved in no gunfight. 1123 00:57:29,426 --> 00:57:30,496 You understand it? 1124 00:57:31,286 --> 00:57:33,296 I say don't touch them, yeah? 1125 00:57:36,356 --> 00:57:37,486 - Hello. - Hi! 1126 00:57:38,276 --> 00:57:39,506 Hello, there. Where can you see me? 1127 00:57:42,416 --> 00:57:43,546 Hello. 1128 00:57:45,356 --> 00:57:46,516 Hi! 1129 00:58:04,396 --> 00:58:07,486 - It's happenin' right now, bruv. - Yeah. 1130 00:58:08,276 --> 00:58:11,476 One side of the park's been breached by a gang of people, so... 1131 00:58:30,506 --> 00:58:31,616 It's all right! 1132 00:58:32,406 --> 00:58:33,616 Stop it! Stop, stop, stop! 1133 00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:40,666 Where the fuck is your boy? 1134 00:58:41,456 --> 00:58:42,486 Don't panic! 1135 00:58:43,276 --> 00:58:47,286 After the carnival I was thinking, "This is not gonna work. 1136 00:58:47,326 --> 00:58:49,436 "This is definitely, definitely not gonna work." 1137 00:58:49,476 --> 00:58:51,626 I was kind of sceptical. 1138 00:58:52,416 --> 00:58:54,646 We needed something big to happen, but when it happened, 1139 00:58:55,436 --> 00:58:56,586 I didn't expect it to be this. 1140 00:59:06,486 --> 00:59:09,536 Violence broke out after a crowd of about 200 1141 00:59:10,326 --> 00:59:12,366 gathered outside the local police station, 1142 00:59:12,406 --> 00:59:14,426 to protest about the death of Mark Duggan, 1143 00:59:14,466 --> 00:59:16,526 who was shot by police on Thursday. 1144 00:59:19,336 --> 00:59:21,386 These are sickening scenes, 1145 00:59:21,426 --> 00:59:23,526 scenes of people looting, 1146 00:59:24,316 --> 00:59:27,346 vandalising, thieving, robbing, 1147 00:59:27,386 --> 00:59:30,386 scenes of people attacking police officers. 1148 00:59:31,336 --> 00:59:34,486 This is criminality, pure and simple, 1149 00:59:35,276 --> 00:59:38,376 and it has to be confronted and defeated. 1150 00:59:38,416 --> 00:59:39,456 It's crazy, man. 1151 00:59:39,496 --> 00:59:42,736 If a black person was to shoot a police officer, 1152 00:59:44,276 --> 00:59:46,486 look how quick that's getting dealt with. 1153 00:59:47,276 --> 00:59:48,276 Now, seriously. 1154 00:59:48,316 --> 00:59:49,416 Once one of theirs is down, 1155 00:59:49,456 --> 00:59:51,456 look how quick that is gonna get dealt with. 1156 00:59:51,496 --> 00:59:53,566 They know who licked the man. 1157 00:59:54,356 --> 00:59:57,426 The police, they are their own gang, the biggest gang in the world, 1158 00:59:57,466 --> 00:59:58,706 and I can't see one of them behind bars 1159 00:59:59,496 --> 01:00:00,586 for killing this youth, yeah. 1160 01:00:01,376 --> 01:00:02,526 All of this shit we're keeping up 1161 01:00:03,316 --> 01:00:05,406 is keeping us from the bigger picture. 1162 01:00:05,446 --> 01:00:06,566 It's keeping us where we are. 1163 01:00:07,356 --> 01:00:10,416 That's why they don't fuck with us, that's why they leave us, 1164 01:00:10,456 --> 01:00:12,526 cos it's like our minds are occupied, innit? 1165 01:00:13,316 --> 01:00:15,456 So we're not thinking about the bigger agenda. 1166 01:00:15,496 --> 01:00:18,516 We're thinking about the "bwoy dem", they're this man, 1167 01:00:19,306 --> 01:00:21,456 and we're not thinking about what's really going on. 1168 01:00:21,496 --> 01:00:24,576 We're getting conned, lads. Do you understand it? 1169 01:00:25,366 --> 01:00:28,386 When black men weren't allowed in pubs and allowed to sit on a bus 1170 01:00:28,426 --> 01:00:30,436 and weren't entitled to certain things. 1171 01:00:30,476 --> 01:00:32,646 It's riots that made them things work, you know, blood. 1172 01:00:33,436 --> 01:00:35,626 People saying, "Fuck this. I'm mashing up the place." 1173 01:00:36,416 --> 01:00:40,486 There is bigger things going on out there, like the bigger agenda. 1174 01:00:41,276 --> 01:00:43,426 We should have been going to the right people 1175 01:00:43,466 --> 01:00:44,606 and making these people afraid. 1176 01:00:45,396 --> 01:00:47,526 We ain't rioting properly. We got us on TV as looters. 1177 01:00:48,316 --> 01:00:50,486 That's to do with this geezer that died, 1178 01:00:51,276 --> 01:00:53,286 just to show them that he ain't no play thing. 1179 01:00:53,326 --> 01:00:55,566 You can't do things behind closed doors. People are not having it. 1180 01:00:56,356 --> 01:00:58,526 So I say riot, mash up the economy, mash up the businesses 1181 01:00:59,316 --> 01:01:01,396 that are funding the police to do these things, 1182 01:01:01,436 --> 01:01:02,676 cos without all the money we're paying, 1183 01:01:03,466 --> 01:01:05,616 they wouldn't be able to have these big guns and that. 1184 01:01:06,406 --> 01:01:07,636 To me, that's not going to work. 1185 01:01:08,426 --> 01:01:09,616 You can't just go everywhere, 1186 01:01:10,406 --> 01:01:12,616 just kick off doors, try to get your voice heard. 1187 01:01:13,406 --> 01:01:15,466 We need to come at it more strategically. 1188 01:01:15,506 --> 01:01:18,506 We've been rioting for years, man, and we're still fucked. 1189 01:01:19,296 --> 01:01:22,306 If we had a link to a political person that came from Tottenham, 1190 01:01:22,346 --> 01:01:24,346 and they could say, "This is what it is..." 1191 01:01:24,386 --> 01:01:27,516 And him and this political person is on TV and they're having a debate, 1192 01:01:28,306 --> 01:01:30,306 then it would have been a different look. 1193 01:01:30,346 --> 01:01:31,456 We ain't got no structure, 1194 01:01:31,496 --> 01:01:33,556 or we're just whining now for impulses. 1195 01:01:34,426 --> 01:01:36,616 Like, we do and then think about it when we're fucked later. 1196 01:01:37,406 --> 01:01:38,556 The policeman killed the geezer. 1197 01:01:39,346 --> 01:01:41,486 You don't need a spokesman to explain what happened. 1198 01:01:42,276 --> 01:01:43,306 Someone needs to say, 1199 01:01:43,346 --> 01:01:45,556 we need to hear someone say, "We want justice, bruv." 1200 01:01:46,346 --> 01:01:47,536 The man from the hood knows what it is. 1201 01:01:48,326 --> 01:01:50,326 Anybody else thinks, "What's going on?" 1202 01:01:50,366 --> 01:01:53,506 They're probably thinking a blackie was thieving in the first place, 1203 01:01:54,296 --> 01:01:55,466 that's why he got licked down. 1204 01:01:55,506 --> 01:01:57,666 We need to put ourselves in positions of power. 1205 01:01:58,456 --> 01:02:00,676 Like I says, we're too low in the food chain everywhere. 1206 01:02:01,466 --> 01:02:03,676 Power, blood, is through violence, blood. 1207 01:02:04,466 --> 01:02:05,526 Nah. 1208 01:02:06,316 --> 01:02:08,476 You have to use a bit of violence. 1209 01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:10,716 Make them know you're not playing about and then keep mad. 1210 01:02:16,466 --> 01:02:19,476 I had no idea the effects the riots would have on our peace movement. 1211 01:02:24,306 --> 01:02:25,536 I thought it would make things worse. 1212 01:02:26,326 --> 01:02:29,416 The police have got balaclavas on, so it might go down today. 1213 01:02:29,456 --> 01:02:31,606 - The police have balaclavas on? - Yeah. Fully ballied up. 1214 01:02:32,396 --> 01:02:34,446 There must be something out here. 1215 01:02:48,316 --> 01:02:49,366 Hello. 1216 01:02:49,406 --> 01:02:50,606 Hello, hello, hello. 1217 01:02:51,396 --> 01:02:53,616 - Do you remember me? - Hi, Flash! 1218 01:03:26,306 --> 01:03:28,436 How comes you didn't wanna make your way home, lads? 1219 01:03:28,476 --> 01:03:29,716 I'm just looking for stuff on the floor. 1220 01:03:32,306 --> 01:03:33,426 Looking for stuff on the floor? 1221 01:03:33,466 --> 01:03:34,646 They're rioting, cos a black boy 1222 01:03:35,436 --> 01:03:37,536 was killed by the police earlier on this week. 1223 01:03:38,326 --> 01:03:42,466 That's the reason for the protests. It's not like thieving stuff. 1224 01:03:42,506 --> 01:03:44,736 - That's the cause behind anything. - What channel's this on? 1225 01:03:46,276 --> 01:03:47,516 It's not on TV yet, but you lot go home. 1226 01:03:48,306 --> 01:03:50,376 All right, then. Take care now. Bye-bye. 1227 01:04:06,286 --> 01:04:08,346 People end up coming together in riots. 1228 01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:09,516 You have a common enemy. 1229 01:04:10,306 --> 01:04:12,336 That's what kicks people's minds to think, 1230 01:04:12,376 --> 01:04:14,516 "Hold on. Forget fighting each other. 1231 01:04:15,306 --> 01:04:18,506 "People are holding us down, witnessing bad situations. 1232 01:04:19,306 --> 01:04:22,386 "So let's forget the bullshit Let's stick together and fight." 1233 01:04:22,426 --> 01:04:25,636 Do you know what's causing all this, what's fuelled all of this? 1234 01:04:26,426 --> 01:04:29,446 It was that kid, innit? He got shot. I heard he got shot. 1235 01:04:29,486 --> 01:04:31,696 I don't know what the real story is, but he got shot. 1236 01:04:32,486 --> 01:04:34,536 You know what, before I act off anything, 1237 01:04:35,326 --> 01:04:36,526 I make sure I've got the proper intel. 1238 01:04:37,316 --> 01:04:38,386 You know what I'm sayin'? 1239 01:04:38,426 --> 01:04:41,536 I make sure that, you know what, I'm fighting for that real cause. 1240 01:04:42,326 --> 01:04:44,326 There's no point fighting off hearsay. 1241 01:04:45,356 --> 01:04:48,446 So, how do you officers feel about what's going on out here? 1242 01:04:50,356 --> 01:04:51,506 They're acting like I'm not here. 1243 01:04:52,296 --> 01:04:54,346 This is the problem we have in our community. 1244 01:04:54,386 --> 01:04:56,596 When we speak to these people, they act like we're not here. 1245 01:04:57,386 --> 01:05:00,386 Once again, have you got anything to say about this situation? 1246 01:05:00,426 --> 01:05:03,536 Sir, we're not obliged to make any comment about what's happening here. 1247 01:05:04,326 --> 01:05:07,516 If you want a comment from the police, speak to the Press Office. 1248 01:05:08,306 --> 01:05:10,426 This is why the whole of the UK is erupting right now, 1249 01:05:10,466 --> 01:05:13,476 cos they're pissed, fed up of it, not having it no more. 1250 01:05:13,516 --> 01:05:15,556 So, as long as things remain the same, 1251 01:05:16,346 --> 01:05:18,396 I can see things remaining the same out here, 1252 01:05:18,436 --> 01:05:21,456 and me, personally, I can see into all of these people's eyes 1253 01:05:21,496 --> 01:05:22,616 and they look scared. 1254 01:05:23,406 --> 01:05:26,436 There's thousands of youths where I come from 1255 01:05:26,476 --> 01:05:28,556 and these youths are ready to come out here 1256 01:05:29,346 --> 01:05:31,496 and cause, like, a revolution, 1257 01:05:32,286 --> 01:05:34,416 cos they'll understand, that we do have the power. 1258 01:05:41,516 --> 01:05:42,716 So why didn't you join in, then? 1259 01:05:44,456 --> 01:05:46,526 I went to town and you couldn't get in to town. 1260 01:05:47,316 --> 01:05:48,376 It was blocked off, 1261 01:05:48,416 --> 01:05:50,526 It was just mayhem in the middle of the road. 1262 01:05:51,316 --> 01:05:52,516 Loads of youths running around. 1263 01:05:53,306 --> 01:05:55,526 I was in two minds, should I park up and walk round or..? 1264 01:05:56,316 --> 01:05:58,516 I just parked up there for a bit. After a bit I just got off. 1265 01:05:59,306 --> 01:06:01,546 Just said, "I'm not coming out to thief nothing, you know." 1266 01:06:02,336 --> 01:06:04,526 The damage is done. Shit mashed up, as well, yeah. 1267 01:06:05,316 --> 01:06:07,446 People there, standing protecting their shops, 1268 01:06:07,486 --> 01:06:09,586 just making it known that they don't take sides 1269 01:06:10,376 --> 01:06:11,486 with black people, you know. 1270 01:06:12,276 --> 01:06:14,366 No matter what happens, day to day in daily life, 1271 01:06:14,406 --> 01:06:17,436 they just made it known that they're not supporting it, 1272 01:06:17,476 --> 01:06:18,646 they don't business about it. 1273 01:06:19,436 --> 01:06:21,486 It's their business, so why wouldn't they? 1274 01:06:22,276 --> 01:06:23,326 Yeah, not the shop. 1275 01:06:23,366 --> 01:06:26,446 I'm on about... the whole criminal system, you know. 1276 01:06:26,486 --> 01:06:29,546 We're fighting for justice, you know. Police brutality. 1277 01:06:30,336 --> 01:06:32,476 Police take the piss with us and we're fighting back, 1278 01:06:32,516 --> 01:06:35,696 because they don't go through that, they can say, "Everything's cool." 1279 01:06:36,486 --> 01:06:39,586 If Asians were getting in trouble by police, they'd be pissed off. 1280 01:06:40,376 --> 01:06:41,526 That's why I say it's a trap, man. 1281 01:06:42,316 --> 01:06:44,406 It's designed to keep us down and that. 1282 01:06:46,456 --> 01:06:48,686 I'm hearing that shots have gone off in Aston. 1283 01:06:51,316 --> 01:06:54,316 Three Asians are dead yesterday. 1284 01:06:54,356 --> 01:06:55,476 So I don't know what happened. 1285 01:06:55,516 --> 01:06:56,746 All I know is that three people are passed 1286 01:06:58,286 --> 01:07:00,416 and there's some Asians that are not too happy. 1287 01:07:00,456 --> 01:07:02,606 Regardless of whether that's gonna escalate or not, 1288 01:07:03,396 --> 01:07:04,416 I don't know, you know. 1289 01:07:04,456 --> 01:07:07,466 But once you've got Asians and fucking Illuminati together, 1290 01:07:07,506 --> 01:07:08,596 we've got no chance. 1291 01:07:12,366 --> 01:07:13,396 So it's a race war now. 1292 01:07:13,436 --> 01:07:15,606 It's no longer the shops they need to worry about. 1293 01:07:17,436 --> 01:07:20,436 If it brings us together and we die together, I'm down for that. 1294 01:07:23,426 --> 01:07:25,646 Last night, when I was driving past, I'd seen people outside, 1295 01:07:26,436 --> 01:07:28,486 groups of Asian people outside their shops, 1296 01:07:29,276 --> 01:07:30,396 trying to defend their shops, 1297 01:07:30,436 --> 01:07:32,596 cos people have been smashing and looting their shops. 1298 01:07:33,386 --> 01:07:36,576 Somebody pulled up on the pavement and run down three people 1299 01:07:37,366 --> 01:07:38,526 and I've heard they died. 1300 01:07:48,286 --> 01:07:52,506 If it's turning into a racial war, it's gonna be serious out here. 1301 01:07:53,296 --> 01:07:55,356 Very, very, very, very serious out here. 1302 01:07:55,396 --> 01:07:56,576 It's stirred up a whole lot of stuff. 1303 01:07:57,366 --> 01:08:00,366 So all this Burger Bar and Johnsons thing right now, 1304 01:08:00,406 --> 01:08:02,546 it looks as trivial as it is right now. 1305 01:08:06,356 --> 01:08:09,426 With this particular incident, yes, there is potential, 1306 01:08:09,466 --> 01:08:11,636 but the tensions will be heightened because of that, 1307 01:08:12,426 --> 01:08:14,496 but there have been a succession of meetings 1308 01:08:15,286 --> 01:08:17,336 amongst community leaders and the police. 1309 01:08:17,376 --> 01:08:18,566 This is messed up. It's gone too far. 1310 01:08:19,356 --> 01:08:21,566 Greed and what is there to really thief on this road? 1311 01:08:22,356 --> 01:08:24,446 If you wanna work, you've gotta work hard for it. 1312 01:08:24,486 --> 01:08:25,706 There's nothing to thief, like. 1313 01:08:26,496 --> 01:08:27,676 Even if you are a career criminal, 1314 01:08:28,466 --> 01:08:31,486 what are you gonna thief on a shop that's full of food shops? 1315 01:08:32,276 --> 01:08:33,276 Burgers and chips? 1316 01:08:33,316 --> 01:08:34,506 - Ridiculous. - It's pointless. 1317 01:08:35,296 --> 01:08:36,536 These families need discipline. 1318 01:08:38,486 --> 01:08:39,516 And yourself, please. 1319 01:08:40,306 --> 01:08:42,456 We need to do an investigation here now. 1320 01:08:42,496 --> 01:08:44,576 So what have I got to do with the investigation? 1321 01:08:45,366 --> 01:08:46,406 Can we have a quick word? 1322 01:08:46,446 --> 01:08:48,606 Conducting a murder enquiry here at the moment, OK? 1323 01:08:49,396 --> 01:08:50,406 Who do you represent? 1324 01:08:50,446 --> 01:08:51,546 - Channel 4. - Thank you. 1325 01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:53,446 You need to move away. 1326 01:08:53,486 --> 01:08:54,706 - Is it confidential? - Yes, please. 1327 01:08:57,496 --> 01:08:58,676 You'll have to talk to the director. 1328 01:08:59,466 --> 01:09:02,556 What's the point of speaking to me? I'm at work at the moment. 1329 01:09:03,346 --> 01:09:05,456 OK, OK. All right. 1330 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:07,696 Like, I'm saying. So this is my point. 1331 01:09:08,486 --> 01:09:10,646 Cos I'm black and I stood here, they wanna question me. 1332 01:09:11,436 --> 01:09:14,526 I had to explain to them I'm at work. Now they haven't got no questions. 1333 01:09:15,316 --> 01:09:18,326 That's how fucked up it is round here. Fucked up. 1334 01:09:19,486 --> 01:09:20,516 They're asking me... 1335 01:09:21,306 --> 01:09:25,436 Cos I've got a baseball cap on and a jacket and cos I'm not white... 1336 01:09:25,476 --> 01:09:27,586 They didn't ask you to speak. We all came together. 1337 01:09:28,376 --> 01:09:29,396 Do you understand it? 1338 01:09:34,486 --> 01:09:36,566 I don't trust nothing out here, me personally. 1339 01:09:37,356 --> 01:09:39,526 - United we stand. - Divided we fall. You understand it? 1340 01:09:40,316 --> 01:09:42,526 It's in my hand and his hand. That's how we need to roll. 1341 01:09:43,316 --> 01:09:44,336 Do you feel me? 1342 01:09:46,426 --> 01:09:48,446 The hood is a very, very funny place. 1343 01:09:48,486 --> 01:09:50,576 It changes like the weather. You understand it? 1344 01:09:51,366 --> 01:09:53,516 Anything could happen. It goes that way, goes this way. 1345 01:09:54,306 --> 01:09:56,466 It's hard. That's why a lot of people go crazy down here. 1346 01:09:56,506 --> 01:09:59,556 It's not very stable. There's no stability around here. 1347 01:10:00,346 --> 01:10:01,536 What, right now? 1348 01:10:02,326 --> 01:10:05,456 A truce is highly possible. Highly likely. That's the truth. 1349 01:10:11,506 --> 01:10:13,676 There was no gang activity during the riots. 1350 01:10:15,416 --> 01:10:17,486 No Burger Bar. No Johnsons. 1351 01:10:18,276 --> 01:10:19,476 No gang activity at all. 1352 01:10:19,516 --> 01:10:20,676 Everyone came together. 1353 01:10:22,386 --> 01:10:24,526 So, yeah, you could call it a four-day truce. 1354 01:10:25,316 --> 01:10:26,526 Yeah, everybody's on the same team. 1355 01:10:32,416 --> 01:10:34,466 Yeah, but what can you expect? 1356 01:10:34,506 --> 01:10:36,596 When you see advertisements for iPhone 4 1357 01:10:37,386 --> 01:10:39,466 every 15 minutes on your TV, 1358 01:10:39,506 --> 01:10:40,646 then what do you expect? 1359 01:10:41,436 --> 01:10:42,526 When we glorify the apps 1360 01:10:43,316 --> 01:10:45,436 and the this and the that and the FaceTime, 1361 01:10:45,476 --> 01:10:46,606 what do you expect? 1362 01:10:49,296 --> 01:10:50,396 A kid must have seen the thing 1363 01:10:50,436 --> 01:10:51,636 and thought, "Let me thief some sweets. 1364 01:10:52,426 --> 01:10:54,566 They smashed the window and they came and thought... 1365 01:10:55,356 --> 01:10:57,496 These are not criminals. These people are little kids. 1366 01:10:58,286 --> 01:11:00,496 Like, it's all madness that's going on right now. 1367 01:11:01,286 --> 01:11:04,486 I didn't even know what to say. It's kind of funny, innit, really? 1368 01:11:05,276 --> 01:11:07,366 When the law makers are the law breakers, as well, 1369 01:11:07,406 --> 01:11:09,466 you can't expect the everyday citizen 1370 01:11:09,506 --> 01:11:11,746 to be, you know, conducting themselves correctly 1371 01:11:13,286 --> 01:11:14,456 when you see stories of corruption 1372 01:11:14,496 --> 01:11:16,516 and you don't see any consequences to that. 1373 01:11:17,306 --> 01:11:21,446 And the reason why these places are so appealing to young people 1374 01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:22,606 is because of the kind of things 1375 01:11:23,396 --> 01:11:25,496 that we value, promote and advertise out there. 1376 01:11:26,286 --> 01:11:28,386 Yeah, Waterstone's untouched. 1377 01:11:28,426 --> 01:11:30,516 That would be most valuable to the people. 1378 01:11:31,306 --> 01:11:33,396 Exactly, yeah, where all the knowledge is, 1379 01:11:33,436 --> 01:11:34,676 where all the valuables really are. 1380 01:11:35,466 --> 01:11:37,526 Right over there. Waterstone's untouched. 1381 01:11:39,466 --> 01:11:42,496 Not a window broken in sight. 1382 01:11:43,286 --> 01:11:45,506 But yet still Cybercandy was... 1383 01:11:46,296 --> 01:11:48,326 I mean, can you see there's something wrong 1384 01:11:48,366 --> 01:11:49,576 with that picture there, people? 1385 01:11:51,386 --> 01:11:53,416 If I don't come out of my house and come here, 1386 01:11:53,456 --> 01:11:54,556 which is my family's place, 1387 01:11:55,346 --> 01:11:58,416 I don't go nowhere else, because I don't feel safe, mate. 1388 01:11:58,456 --> 01:12:01,556 The pickny no bigger than me shoes... 1389 01:12:02,346 --> 01:12:04,396 I wanted to hear what the elders' thoughts was 1390 01:12:04,436 --> 01:12:06,516 on the state of our community. 1391 01:12:07,306 --> 01:12:10,486 Unfortunately... unfortunately, we've got a generation lost. 1392 01:12:12,276 --> 01:12:13,466 It's not a generation of black lads, 1393 01:12:13,506 --> 01:12:16,546 it's a generation of youth that is lost. 1394 01:12:17,336 --> 01:12:18,576 They are completely lost to us, mate, 1395 01:12:19,366 --> 01:12:21,516 and there's nothin' we can do to get through to them. 1396 01:12:22,306 --> 01:12:23,536 For God's sake, catch the damn pickny. 1397 01:12:24,326 --> 01:12:26,356 Take off your belt, swipe him two time 1398 01:12:26,396 --> 01:12:27,476 and send him home to Mama. 1399 01:12:27,516 --> 01:12:31,656 Excuse me, if people thinks that that is bad and that is abusive, 1400 01:12:32,446 --> 01:12:33,646 sod the lot of ya. 1401 01:12:34,436 --> 01:12:36,436 Sod your arses about abusive. 1402 01:12:36,476 --> 01:12:39,486 I put life into my kids, the government, the law. 1403 01:12:40,276 --> 01:12:42,356 I would have box-eyed 'em in front of the Queen. 1404 01:12:42,396 --> 01:12:44,436 You can't tell me me can't do it. 1405 01:12:44,476 --> 01:12:45,666 I will do it in front of the Queen. 1406 01:12:46,456 --> 01:12:49,506 If they wanna lock me up after, that's fine. But you know something? 1407 01:12:50,296 --> 01:12:52,306 None of my kids got involved in the riots, 1408 01:12:52,346 --> 01:12:53,486 cos of what I've drummed into 'em. 1409 01:12:55,276 --> 01:12:57,306 Yesterday we listened to some big men speak 1410 01:12:57,346 --> 01:12:59,506 and they think it needs to be resolved with a beating. 1411 01:13:00,296 --> 01:13:03,406 Look at the big youth. Stand next to me, so they can see this on the roll. 1412 01:13:03,446 --> 01:13:05,646 You can't beat these youths, cos they'll probably beat you! 1413 01:13:06,436 --> 01:13:08,506 There has to be other measures to go about it. 1414 01:13:09,296 --> 01:13:11,406 I'm not saying that they don't need discipline, 1415 01:13:11,446 --> 01:13:12,656 but there's levels to beating 'em. 1416 01:13:13,446 --> 01:13:16,506 You can get a slap or somebody can find a piece of this in the house 1417 01:13:17,296 --> 01:13:20,356 and start, "Stop! Rah, rah, rah," and beat you to a pulp. 1418 01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:21,446 There's levels to it. 1419 01:13:21,486 --> 01:13:23,596 A little slap... discipline. 1420 01:13:24,386 --> 01:13:25,546 Like, picking up stuff and chairs. 1421 01:13:26,336 --> 01:13:28,566 And I've seen people get beaten, like serious beat-downs. 1422 01:13:29,356 --> 01:13:31,476 We have to know what we're doing. There's a lot to it. 1423 01:13:31,516 --> 01:13:33,566 We've got a lot of problems within ourselves 1424 01:13:34,356 --> 01:13:35,586 and we wanna blame the whole world, man. 1425 01:13:36,376 --> 01:13:37,476 Let's sort out own stuff out. 1426 01:13:37,516 --> 01:13:40,716 I've got the feeling kids that have been beat are slightly more violent. 1427 01:13:41,506 --> 01:13:44,516 I have that feeling. I'm not 100%, so you can't quote me on that. 1428 01:13:45,306 --> 01:13:48,366 But I've got a feeling that the kids who are beaten are more violent. 1429 01:13:48,406 --> 01:13:50,596 My community and where I come from, beating is normal. 1430 01:13:52,346 --> 01:13:53,386 What's happened to you? 1431 01:13:53,426 --> 01:13:55,586 Yeah, like, see the other day, like, Tuesday and that, 1432 01:13:56,376 --> 01:13:59,516 I was nearby town and then, like, some police see me, innit? 1433 01:14:00,306 --> 01:14:02,366 And they chase after me, so I started running 1434 01:14:02,406 --> 01:14:03,616 and I'm hiding behind one car now. 1435 01:14:04,406 --> 01:14:07,426 They dragged me from behind the car, they was kicking me in my face, 1436 01:14:07,466 --> 01:14:10,466 and they got me to the ground and they was punching me in my head, 1437 01:14:10,506 --> 01:14:12,526 and they were kicking me in my ribs and that 1438 01:14:13,316 --> 01:14:14,456 and beating me up, really. 1439 01:14:14,496 --> 01:14:15,506 And how old are you? 1440 01:14:16,296 --> 01:14:18,316 16 still. 16. 1441 01:14:18,356 --> 01:14:19,506 They put me in a cell for the night, 1442 01:14:20,296 --> 01:14:21,496 saying I have to come back in a month. 1443 01:14:22,286 --> 01:14:23,446 But why did they do that? 1444 01:14:23,486 --> 01:14:27,556 I don't know. Like, they said suspicion of me rioting. Looting. 1445 01:14:28,346 --> 01:14:29,416 Then that makes you feel 1446 01:14:29,456 --> 01:14:31,496 like you want to get them back and do whatever? 1447 01:14:32,286 --> 01:14:33,346 I got hatred in my heart. 1448 01:14:33,386 --> 01:14:36,596 I had hatred in my heart for a long time for them, but I got more now. 1449 01:14:37,386 --> 01:14:39,516 So I wanna get them back. You know what I mean? 1450 01:14:44,356 --> 01:14:45,476 Loads of police officers. 1451 01:14:45,516 --> 01:14:46,616 Imagine I'm in distress! 1452 01:14:49,376 --> 01:14:50,526 Imagine I'm in distress. 1453 01:14:51,316 --> 01:14:53,426 I could have been called into a problem. 1454 01:14:53,466 --> 01:14:55,546 It could have been anything. 1455 01:14:56,336 --> 01:14:58,496 There's more right there. There's more right there. 1456 01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:02,326 They've followed me all morning. They've followed me to the shop. 1457 01:15:02,366 --> 01:15:03,536 They asked me what I am doing. 1458 01:15:04,326 --> 01:15:07,366 Who's invested in this film to make this film? 1459 01:15:07,406 --> 01:15:09,516 They asking me all sorts of questions. 1460 01:15:11,486 --> 01:15:13,726 This is how we're living here, man. People take the mick. 1461 01:15:16,396 --> 01:15:19,466 - Born black, you're born a criminal. - It's the crime of the century. 1462 01:15:19,506 --> 01:15:22,506 It's the biggest crime, bro. The biggest crime. 1463 01:15:23,296 --> 01:15:24,296 It is. 1464 01:15:24,336 --> 01:15:26,506 It's them again. It's them again. They don't wanna stop. 1465 01:15:27,296 --> 01:15:28,506 The pussyholes have been following me, 1466 01:15:29,296 --> 01:15:31,456 but now I've come with my camera, they wanna talk to me. 1467 01:15:31,496 --> 01:15:33,516 They've followed me around the whole hood. 1468 01:15:34,446 --> 01:15:35,446 Faggots! 1469 01:15:43,386 --> 01:15:44,576 Can you stop the camera off a second? 1470 01:15:45,366 --> 01:15:46,456 - Why? - Cos I wanna speak. 1471 01:15:46,496 --> 01:15:49,646 - Can you knock the camera off? - No, because I'm making a film. 1472 01:15:53,476 --> 01:15:55,496 Well, what have we done wrong? 1473 01:15:57,356 --> 01:15:58,506 Just have to ask you a few questions. 1474 01:15:59,296 --> 01:16:00,486 But why? Why? 1475 01:16:01,276 --> 01:16:03,306 - Sorry? - Why are you asking us questions? 1476 01:16:03,346 --> 01:16:04,576 Why are you pointing a camera in my face? 1477 01:16:05,366 --> 01:16:07,496 - I'm making a film. You came to me. - That's fine. 1478 01:16:12,356 --> 01:16:13,586 Listen... We'll close the door, then. 1479 01:16:14,376 --> 01:16:15,546 What do we have to understand? 1480 01:16:16,336 --> 01:16:19,366 We haven't done anything wrong, so why are you stopping us? 1481 01:16:19,406 --> 01:16:21,506 This is a free country in which I'm allowed 1482 01:16:22,296 --> 01:16:24,326 to be in a public place making a film. 1483 01:16:24,366 --> 01:16:26,376 Right. Do you have a filming permit? 1484 01:16:26,416 --> 01:16:29,436 - Filming permit for what? - You say you're filming something. 1485 01:16:31,416 --> 01:16:32,636 15 minutes later, 1486 01:16:33,426 --> 01:16:35,646 the police demanded all of our footage from Channel 4. 1487 01:16:36,436 --> 01:16:38,526 They also sent emails asking community centres 1488 01:16:39,316 --> 01:16:41,396 to report back on all of our activities. 1489 01:16:41,436 --> 01:16:44,466 The police are saying they're gonna try and shut us down, bredren. 1490 01:16:44,506 --> 01:16:46,666 They're trying to say they're gonna try and lock us off, 1491 01:16:47,456 --> 01:16:48,666 cos we're gonna incite gang problems. 1492 01:16:49,456 --> 01:16:51,526 All of these people that have been raping us... 1493 01:16:52,316 --> 01:16:54,456 £190 million that they say they put into my community 1494 01:16:54,496 --> 01:16:56,626 to help and stop gangs - stop lying to the people. 1495 01:16:57,416 --> 01:16:59,656 No gang member I know or gang member I spoke to 1496 01:17:00,446 --> 01:17:01,536 knows any you people, innit? 1497 01:17:02,326 --> 01:17:05,356 You're raping my community. Keep raping us and see what happens. 1498 01:17:05,396 --> 01:17:07,426 We're putting our heart and soul into this. 1499 01:17:07,466 --> 01:17:09,486 This has been far from easy, far from easy. 1500 01:17:10,276 --> 01:17:11,296 A nightmare most days. 1501 01:17:11,336 --> 01:17:14,336 We don't know which way we're gonna turn, but we've continued. 1502 01:17:14,376 --> 01:17:17,466 The reason what's driving us is that there could be a passion in there. 1503 01:17:17,506 --> 01:17:19,716 We could have just said, "This ain't working." Fuck it off. 1504 01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:26,666 What was your point in stopping me to come and ask me? 1505 01:17:27,456 --> 01:17:29,486 I'm pissed. That's the reason I'm not happy. 1506 01:17:30,276 --> 01:17:31,386 I'm not happy, so that's that. 1507 01:17:31,426 --> 01:17:32,476 Where do you know me from? 1508 01:17:32,516 --> 01:17:33,736 You don't know me. You've never met me. 1509 01:17:35,276 --> 01:17:36,406 Where's all the anger come from? 1510 01:17:36,446 --> 01:17:38,596 We're pissed! You motherfuckers are killing people! 1511 01:17:39,386 --> 01:17:40,576 I don't wanna calm down! I'm upset! 1512 01:17:41,366 --> 01:17:43,536 I'm upset like the rest of the country. 1513 01:17:44,326 --> 01:17:45,436 We're pissed! We are mad! 1514 01:17:45,476 --> 01:17:47,646 Upset, innit? Right now you're killing people, innit? 1515 01:17:48,436 --> 01:17:51,516 No, we don't have to talk. No, it's not for the camera. 1516 01:17:52,306 --> 01:17:53,376 This is real-life shit! 1517 01:17:53,416 --> 01:17:55,586 You said, "Mr Duffus, Mr Dylan," like you know me! 1518 01:17:56,376 --> 01:17:57,606 You're all part of the same gang, innit? 1519 01:17:58,396 --> 01:18:00,536 The same way everybody puts us into the same category, 1520 01:18:01,326 --> 01:18:02,326 when it comes to us. 1521 01:18:02,366 --> 01:18:04,486 The same way you lot all fit into the same category - 1522 01:18:05,276 --> 01:18:06,366 point blank, period, innit? 1523 01:18:06,406 --> 01:18:08,566 We're guilty until proven innocent where we come from. 1524 01:18:09,356 --> 01:18:11,566 This is what we go through as black young men. 1525 01:18:12,356 --> 01:18:14,556 You're probably thinking, "Why is he behaving like that?" 1526 01:18:15,346 --> 01:18:17,526 If it happened to you every day, you'd behave like that. 1527 01:18:18,316 --> 01:18:21,386 You have no idea. You are a foot soldier, so I refuse to speak to you. 1528 01:18:21,426 --> 01:18:22,666 Unless you are a boss, don't talk to me. 1529 01:18:23,456 --> 01:18:24,526 Let's roll out, man. 1530 01:18:26,276 --> 01:18:28,346 What makes a race not come together? 1531 01:18:28,386 --> 01:18:29,416 We want order 1532 01:18:29,456 --> 01:18:31,636 And why do gangsters go jail before they find religion? 1533 01:18:32,426 --> 01:18:34,606 If they stayed and listened would they be still with us? 1534 01:18:35,396 --> 01:18:37,416 No fate Then they die behind prison gates 1535 01:18:37,456 --> 01:18:38,686 Are we supposed to wait or just hate? 1536 01:18:44,426 --> 01:18:45,466 A joke that we had - 1537 01:18:45,506 --> 01:18:47,666 what's the difference between Aston and Handsworth? 1538 01:18:48,456 --> 01:18:52,506 It's like Birchfield Road. You know, a road, a dual carriageway. 1539 01:18:53,296 --> 01:18:56,426 You know what I mean? How lame, how shallow, how petty! 1540 01:18:56,466 --> 01:18:58,516 Let's just hope that two weeks from now, 1541 01:18:59,306 --> 01:19:00,446 that the focus changes again. 1542 01:19:00,486 --> 01:19:02,626 That after they've mashed up their community, 1543 01:19:03,416 --> 01:19:05,646 after they've, you know, united, whether willingly or not, 1544 01:19:06,436 --> 01:19:08,476 let's hope they look at that bigger picture 1545 01:19:08,516 --> 01:19:10,636 and say to themselves, "What are we fighting each other for? 1546 01:19:11,426 --> 01:19:13,556 "Because my vulnerabilities are the same as yours." 1547 01:19:14,346 --> 01:19:15,476 You know what I'm sayin'? 1548 01:19:15,516 --> 01:19:18,646 "My institution lies, racism experience are the same as yours. 1549 01:19:19,436 --> 01:19:21,626 "My lack of opportunity are the same as yours. 1550 01:19:22,416 --> 01:19:25,416 "The only thing that's not the same is our postcode." 1551 01:19:25,456 --> 01:19:26,486 That's the only thing. 1552 01:19:27,276 --> 01:19:29,476 Cos this one lives in B6 and this one lives in B20. 1553 01:19:29,516 --> 01:19:31,636 Two opposite sides of Birchfield Road people. 1554 01:19:32,426 --> 01:19:34,536 Come on. Come on. Do better. 1555 01:19:47,316 --> 01:19:49,556 After almost a year on his own, 1556 01:19:50,346 --> 01:19:51,586 Shabba finally made a breakthrough. 1557 01:19:53,276 --> 01:19:55,366 Obviously, I targeted, like, official people. 1558 01:19:55,406 --> 01:19:56,576 I tried to go to official people, 1559 01:19:57,366 --> 01:19:59,376 people that had influence, people that had respect 1560 01:19:59,416 --> 01:20:01,616 and try and get them to see the picture. 1561 01:20:02,406 --> 01:20:05,616 I had a meeting with the mandem. There were about 30 men in the yard. 1562 01:20:06,406 --> 01:20:08,516 There were people arguing and voices were raised. 1563 01:20:09,306 --> 01:20:12,326 They were in there getting mad and there was a lot of tension. 1564 01:20:12,366 --> 01:20:14,506 I can remember Sykes was in there quiet, innit? 1565 01:20:15,296 --> 01:20:17,366 He was quiet the whole time, taking it all in. 1566 01:20:18,456 --> 01:20:21,636 I was expecting Sykes to probably take their side, 1567 01:20:22,426 --> 01:20:24,506 but he actually was on my side, you know. 1568 01:20:25,296 --> 01:20:27,306 The gang thing don't make sense. 1569 01:20:27,346 --> 01:20:29,436 I can tell you now, the gang thing don't make sense. 1570 01:20:29,476 --> 01:20:30,666 From them people that we lose, yeah, 1571 01:20:31,456 --> 01:20:33,626 we need to make a positive from it, you know. 1572 01:20:34,416 --> 01:20:36,556 There's too much memorials and that in the name of... 1573 01:20:37,346 --> 01:20:39,486 - Look at this. - What's all this? 1574 01:20:40,276 --> 01:20:43,366 That there, on the gravestone, these are all my friends, you know. 1575 01:20:44,376 --> 01:20:46,456 Friends that has gone. You know what I mean? 1576 01:20:46,496 --> 01:20:49,586 For shit that started when man weren't even fucking born. 1577 01:20:50,376 --> 01:20:51,426 Cos these are young men. 1578 01:20:51,466 --> 01:20:55,556 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. 1579 01:20:56,346 --> 01:20:58,536 May they rest in peace. May those brothers rest in peace. 1580 01:20:59,456 --> 01:21:01,696 Madness. You get me? Absolute madness. 1581 01:21:04,346 --> 01:21:07,546 I'm 26. Done nine-and-a-half years in jail. Don't make no sense. 1582 01:21:08,336 --> 01:21:09,486 You hear me? Don't make no sense. 1583 01:21:10,276 --> 01:21:12,506 All that time as a youth getting sent to jail for madness. 1584 01:21:13,296 --> 01:21:14,486 OK, here's my hypothesis now. 1585 01:21:15,276 --> 01:21:17,496 Firearms were made here during the Industrial Revolution. 1586 01:21:18,286 --> 01:21:19,406 Guns were made right here. 1587 01:21:19,446 --> 01:21:22,576 The guns that were made in Birmingham were used to trade for African people 1588 01:21:23,366 --> 01:21:24,576 to be taken to the Caribbean as slaves. 1589 01:21:25,366 --> 01:21:28,456 The youth involved in the gun crime are the descendants of the Africans 1590 01:21:28,496 --> 01:21:30,496 who were traded for guns made here. 1591 01:21:31,286 --> 01:21:33,406 The Industrial Revolution fuelled the slave trade 1592 01:21:33,446 --> 01:21:35,656 and the slave trade fuelled the Industrial Revolution. 1593 01:21:36,446 --> 01:21:37,516 It was a triangle of trade, 1594 01:21:38,306 --> 01:21:40,376 where goods were made right here where we stand 1595 01:21:40,416 --> 01:21:43,416 to trade for our ancestors. 1596 01:21:43,456 --> 01:21:46,526 Hence why today Caribbean people have European surnames, 1597 01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:49,466 including myself, including these two gentlemen. 1598 01:21:49,506 --> 01:21:53,586 And all this is testimony, you know, to the grizzly past 1599 01:21:54,376 --> 01:21:56,586 of the European doing dodgy business in trading man. 1600 01:21:57,376 --> 01:21:59,516 We should become intelligent enough 1601 01:22:00,306 --> 01:22:01,516 to learn about what happened to us. 1602 01:22:02,306 --> 01:22:04,496 Now we're born in opportunity and where there's laws here 1603 01:22:05,286 --> 01:22:08,306 to protect us as black people, we should take advantage of that. 1604 01:22:08,346 --> 01:22:09,506 If the youth are gonna join a gang, 1605 01:22:10,296 --> 01:22:12,306 I would suggest to join an academic gang. 1606 01:22:12,346 --> 01:22:15,506 Join an academic gang of bankers, solicitors, lawyers, OK? 1607 01:22:16,296 --> 01:22:18,336 Growing up, yeah, I ain't thinking about... 1608 01:22:18,376 --> 01:22:20,456 I'm gonna be in no gang with no bankers and that. 1609 01:22:20,496 --> 01:22:22,576 I wanna be with the mandem, innit? I wanna make P. 1610 01:22:23,366 --> 01:22:25,526 I wanna do this thing with my friends, innit? You get me? 1611 01:22:26,316 --> 01:22:28,516 Your friends who you grow up with. That's all it is, you know. 1612 01:22:29,306 --> 01:22:31,476 That can still happen. 1613 01:22:31,516 --> 01:22:32,566 I got my friends here. 1614 01:22:33,356 --> 01:22:35,556 My older friends, I will listen to them 1615 01:22:36,346 --> 01:22:37,406 as older brothers. 1616 01:22:37,446 --> 01:22:39,546 We are what we are. We're a product of our society. 1617 01:22:40,336 --> 01:22:42,566 We grew like this. This is just what we are. 1618 01:22:45,476 --> 01:22:47,626 We need to break free Get the fuck up out of these chains 1619 01:22:48,416 --> 01:22:50,536 Inside the game, B Mentally enslaving our brains 1620 01:22:51,326 --> 01:22:53,516 You think you've changed In reality you're still the same 1621 01:22:54,306 --> 01:22:55,406 Stuck in the game Bitch made 1622 01:22:55,446 --> 01:22:57,486 Mentally enslaved and that's life, nigger 1623 01:23:01,446 --> 01:23:02,636 That's life, nigger... 1624 01:23:03,426 --> 01:23:04,636 Nuggz did the same, as well, you know. 1625 01:23:05,426 --> 01:23:06,636 He come over and say, "It's true. 1626 01:23:07,426 --> 01:23:10,606 "I'm definitely down for it. Anything you need, I'll support it." 1627 01:23:12,296 --> 01:23:13,476 And that's life, nigger... 1628 01:23:15,506 --> 01:23:17,676 No one tells Nuggz what to do. He does what he wants to do. 1629 01:23:18,466 --> 01:23:21,486 So, if Nuggz wants to get on board, it's because Nuggz wants to. 1630 01:23:23,286 --> 01:23:25,426 Motherfucking cops on the block, yeah. 1631 01:23:26,476 --> 01:23:27,646 Undercovers. 1632 01:23:28,436 --> 01:23:30,576 A true Muslim knows that you can't harm your brother. 1633 01:23:31,366 --> 01:23:32,476 You can't kill your brother. 1634 01:23:32,516 --> 01:23:34,566 No bullshit. No gang-related bullshit. 1635 01:23:35,356 --> 01:23:37,586 So if a man's a Muslim, then a man's a Muslim. That's how it is. 1636 01:23:38,376 --> 01:23:40,476 Any beef he had before is done with. Gone. 1637 01:23:40,516 --> 01:23:43,526 Fear Allah, innit? And that's that. 1638 01:23:44,316 --> 01:23:47,316 And is it a way in prison in which people have come together, 1639 01:23:47,356 --> 01:23:50,446 who previously out on the block might have been shooting each other? 1640 01:23:50,486 --> 01:23:52,686 Yeah, cos they've got time to sit and read and reflect 1641 01:23:53,476 --> 01:23:54,586 and see what's what, innit? 1642 01:23:55,376 --> 01:23:56,526 Yeah, that's true. 1643 01:23:57,316 --> 01:23:58,446 They ain't got no time for no... 1644 01:23:58,486 --> 01:24:01,656 Well... they ain't got nothing to do. They're in jail, innit. Jail's jail. 1645 01:24:02,446 --> 01:24:04,626 Lockdown. Get me? 1646 01:24:11,346 --> 01:24:13,496 And why did Zimbo change his mind? 1647 01:24:14,286 --> 01:24:16,306 Kind of the same thing. 1648 01:24:16,346 --> 01:24:17,566 We are getting older. We've got kids. 1649 01:24:18,356 --> 01:24:20,516 Can't be running around gunning down men all your life. 1650 01:24:21,306 --> 01:24:22,456 So it's time for a change 1651 01:24:22,496 --> 01:24:24,586 and he could see the business side of it, as well. 1652 01:24:25,376 --> 01:24:28,386 Like, let's stop this. Let's come together and do something. 1653 01:24:28,426 --> 01:24:29,536 You have to show love to Shabba. 1654 01:24:30,326 --> 01:24:31,566 He started this. He's getting it going. 1655 01:24:33,316 --> 01:24:34,526 He's made it happen, innit? 1656 01:24:35,316 --> 01:24:38,326 Is it too late for the youths to go, huh? 1657 01:24:38,366 --> 01:24:39,446 I don't know. 1658 01:24:39,486 --> 01:24:42,536 It's never too late. Never too late. It ain't never too late. 1659 01:24:43,326 --> 01:24:45,466 It's never too late to grow 1660 01:24:45,506 --> 01:24:46,726 Cos I don't wanna feel the same no more 1661 01:24:47,516 --> 01:24:48,636 And I don't wanna feel the same 1662 01:24:49,426 --> 01:24:51,426 Kickin' back Getting lost in my thoughts 1663 01:24:51,466 --> 01:24:53,616 Thinkin' about the things I see and all the things I saw 1664 01:24:54,406 --> 01:24:56,586 Headin' down the wrong road And I couldn't change course 1665 01:24:57,376 --> 01:24:58,546 Used to wanna be a G But now this G wants more 1666 01:24:59,336 --> 01:25:02,366 Always in and out of court My life in the hands of a judge 1667 01:25:02,406 --> 01:25:04,636 Looking straight at me with hatred Cos I'm black and I'm young 1668 01:25:05,426 --> 01:25:07,476 18 and I'm going down for packing a gun 1669 01:25:07,516 --> 01:25:09,596 Misled by my olders I was slanging for funds 1670 01:25:10,386 --> 01:25:12,496 Still attackin' my lungs Weed smoke got me para 1671 01:25:13,286 --> 01:25:15,336 Celebrity, number Everybody in the manor 1672 01:25:15,376 --> 01:25:17,586 In this life I've never walked straight only ever stagger 1673 01:25:18,376 --> 01:25:20,496 Sober so I can't even blame the loose manner 1674 01:25:21,286 --> 01:25:23,316 Just like a weak bladder I was out of control 1675 01:25:23,356 --> 01:25:25,496 My fate's in my own hands What was I never told? 1676 01:25:26,286 --> 01:25:28,396 I'm livin' with no limit, limitless Now that I know 1677 01:25:28,436 --> 01:25:30,586 It ain't never too late to grow, grow 1678 01:25:32,476 --> 01:25:35,706 It's never too late to grow It's never too late to grow 1679 01:25:36,496 --> 01:25:38,736 Cos I don't wanna feel the same no more... 1680 01:25:40,276 --> 01:25:41,336 It's a question, innit? 1681 01:25:41,376 --> 01:25:43,396 Yeah, mate. Is it too late? Do you get me? 1682 01:25:43,436 --> 01:25:45,526 Question yourself and then you realise, innit? 1683 01:25:46,316 --> 01:25:49,366 I wanted to put the message out there that it's not too late, innit? 1684 01:25:49,406 --> 01:25:50,506 Ain't never too late, innit? 1685 01:25:51,296 --> 01:25:54,306 There's people that do shitty things all their life 1686 01:25:54,346 --> 01:25:57,436 and then, boom, they're inspired and their whole life changes, innit? 1687 01:25:57,476 --> 01:26:00,496 I had a dream last night that I was back in prison, bun that 1688 01:26:01,286 --> 01:26:02,466 I'd rather die so today I'm chillin' 1689 01:26:02,506 --> 01:26:04,606 They're tryin' to watch us like clockwork, mechanism 1690 01:26:05,396 --> 01:26:07,546 Give 'em the fingers up to show the fools that I can see them 1691 01:26:08,336 --> 01:26:09,556 I see straight through the plain clothes 1692 01:26:10,346 --> 01:26:11,566 I ain't wanted so I got no reason to lay low 1693 01:26:12,356 --> 01:26:14,396 I just wanna live my life good and raise dough 1694 01:26:14,436 --> 01:26:16,636 But they don't wanna see that so they're stoppin' my stage show 1695 01:26:17,426 --> 01:26:19,636 The roads are brake, bro So I'm tryin' to stick to my career 1696 01:26:20,426 --> 01:26:22,636 And I did this for Danio and Keya Daddy's here, yo 1697 01:26:23,426 --> 01:26:24,656 This is one to let the whole world know 1698 01:26:25,446 --> 01:26:27,466 It ain't never too late to grow 1699 01:26:27,506 --> 01:26:30,536 Niggers are never shown, man, the right shit. 1700 01:26:31,326 --> 01:26:33,566 For my generation growing up, yeah, everybody wanted a name. 1701 01:26:34,356 --> 01:26:37,376 If you didn't have a name, yeah, that means you're idiot, innit? 1702 01:26:37,416 --> 01:26:38,446 That's it, innit? 1703 01:26:38,486 --> 01:26:40,576 You're somebody or you're nobody. You get me? 1704 01:26:41,366 --> 01:26:44,546 Whereas now, I can stand up and prevent things. You get me? 1705 01:26:45,336 --> 01:26:48,396 I can say, "Yo, listen, allow that. Allow that cos that's gas." 1706 01:26:48,436 --> 01:26:49,536 I talk to the youth all the time. 1707 01:26:50,326 --> 01:26:52,486 Allow the gang thing, but it's dumb. Don't make no sense. 1708 01:26:53,276 --> 01:26:54,466 You're not gonna get nowhere from it. 1709 01:26:54,506 --> 01:26:56,596 My little cousin is dead 1710 01:26:57,386 --> 01:27:02,386 and he paid the maximum penalty, innit? 1711 01:27:02,426 --> 01:27:04,516 I kind of blame myself sometimes, as well. 1712 01:27:05,306 --> 01:27:08,316 Cos he's following me, innit? He's following me. 1713 01:27:08,356 --> 01:27:11,466 I'm the oldest cousin. I'm the oldest out of the lot of us, basically. 1714 01:27:11,506 --> 01:27:16,556 So, obviously, it's like, when I do certain things, 1715 01:27:17,346 --> 01:27:19,366 then the rest follow, innit? 1716 01:27:20,446 --> 01:27:24,606 It's never too late to grow It's never too late to grow 1717 01:27:25,396 --> 01:27:26,556 Cos I don't wanna feel the same... 1718 01:27:27,346 --> 01:27:28,496 I sit down in, like, the studio. 1719 01:27:29,286 --> 01:27:31,506 I'm sitting down in the studio with the so-called "bwoy dem". 1720 01:27:32,296 --> 01:27:34,366 Was that the first time you'd ever been in a room 1721 01:27:34,406 --> 01:27:35,646 with Burgers and Johnson? 1722 01:27:36,436 --> 01:27:38,616 Yeah, the first time in my life and I was a bit uneasy. 1723 01:27:39,406 --> 01:27:43,476 I have to sit down and think, "Is everything really cool here?" 1724 01:27:43,516 --> 01:27:46,596 And then they will come over and everything was kind of relaxed. 1725 01:27:47,386 --> 01:27:48,426 It was an experience. 1726 01:27:49,446 --> 01:27:51,606 You just realise, "Hold on. He's just like me, innit?" 1727 01:27:55,296 --> 01:27:56,536 They talk the same. They think the same. 1728 01:27:57,326 --> 01:27:59,386 He's not my enemy. These guys ain't my enemy. 1729 01:27:59,426 --> 01:28:01,556 But that was another wake-up call. Like, come on. 1730 01:28:02,346 --> 01:28:05,526 This is so trivial. It's so foolish, so unbelievable. 1731 01:28:06,316 --> 01:28:07,476 This is how it's supposed to be 1732 01:28:07,516 --> 01:28:10,686 and that's the dream now, innit, to make it always like that. 1733 01:28:11,476 --> 01:28:13,516 That's how they're supposed to live. Together. 1734 01:28:14,306 --> 01:28:17,436 And I don't wanna feel the pain 1735 01:28:17,476 --> 01:28:19,496 It's never too late to grow 1736 01:28:20,286 --> 01:28:22,456 It's never too late to grow 1737 01:28:22,496 --> 01:28:24,526 Cos I don't wanna feel the same no more 1738 01:28:25,316 --> 01:28:27,436 And I don't wanna feel the pain 1739 01:28:33,396 --> 01:28:35,396 - My dawg. - That's what I was about to say. 1740 01:28:35,436 --> 01:28:36,636 My brother from another mother. 1741 01:28:37,426 --> 01:28:38,506 We're like that, innit? 1742 01:28:39,296 --> 01:28:40,516 So, that's just all it is. 1743 01:28:41,306 --> 01:28:43,506 So say no more, innit? A real brother, innit? 1744 01:28:44,296 --> 01:28:45,456 Shabba. It's just Shabba, innit? 1745 01:28:45,496 --> 01:28:47,546 He's just taking me as it comes, innit? 1746 01:28:48,336 --> 01:28:50,476 There's nothing more to it. It's just Shabba. 1747 01:28:50,516 --> 01:28:51,596 I can't complain and that. 1748 01:28:52,386 --> 01:28:54,566 It's not exactly the truce that we wanted, you know, 1749 01:28:55,356 --> 01:28:58,476 to kind of make history, have some form of truce, bring people together. 1750 01:28:58,516 --> 01:29:01,736 But it's still a way of bringing people together. 1751 01:29:03,276 --> 01:29:06,416 We've got mandem on the soundtrack, we've got mandem in the same studio, 1752 01:29:06,456 --> 01:29:08,576 we've got people talking, so it is progress. 1753 01:29:09,366 --> 01:29:10,476 We've come a long way. 1754 01:29:10,516 --> 01:29:11,746 We can look and say, "I'm living good." 1755 01:29:13,286 --> 01:29:15,386 For once, I'm living good. 1756 01:29:16,276 --> 01:29:19,416 I've got to analyse a lot of stuff I've been through, I've grown up in 1757 01:29:19,456 --> 01:29:20,676 and analyse the whole situation. 1758 01:29:21,466 --> 01:29:22,616 I've come to realise it isn't... 1759 01:29:23,406 --> 01:29:25,416 Everybody's always blaming each other. 1760 01:29:25,456 --> 01:29:27,616 You have to blame yourself, man. This is your life. 1761 01:29:28,406 --> 01:29:31,486 So you have to live it and I have to be all I can be. 1762 01:29:32,276 --> 01:29:34,366 You understand it? And that's what I've learnt. 1763 01:29:34,406 --> 01:29:36,616 I've watched a lot of people spend a lot of time saying, 1764 01:29:37,406 --> 01:29:39,516 "It's this person. We're blaming that person." 1765 01:29:40,306 --> 01:29:43,316 When I wake up in the morning, I do what I wanna do, innit? 1766 01:29:43,356 --> 01:29:45,536 So when I wake up in the morning, whatever I do, 1767 01:29:46,326 --> 01:29:48,336 that's the life I'm gonna be living. 1768 01:29:48,376 --> 01:29:49,506 So it's my decision, my choice. 1769 01:29:50,296 --> 01:29:52,346 So, me, I'm gonna try and do the right thing.