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So again, I think Paul really created for
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that the web could be a mostly consume
environment and be extremely useful.

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If you think about it, if there was no web
and there was no content, how would you

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know that the web is a great way to view
content?

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So Paul Kunz had the advantage that he had
a lot of content.

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And it was content that at least the
physicists found extremely valuable.

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And then people go, oh, I can see.
Matter of fact, I remember when I first

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saw the web.
I, I was, like, okay, fine.

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It's got pictures, who cares?
Because other things like Gopher were just

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as good.
And then I saw the ability to go to

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Federal Express and track a package, and I
go like, now that's a cool idea, right?

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The goph-, Gopher couldn't do that.
In fact, in 1993, sort of three years

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after the web was created, the web was
actually not all that popular.

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1991 was the Paul Kunz, but that was
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And a few nerds, myself included.
But, in 1993, Gopher was a much better

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product and it was a much more beloved
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And the problem again went down to, came
down to the fact that the network was so

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slow that simple tech, text based things
worked better than highly graphical

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things.
As it, there's apocryphal story that

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happened in March of 1993 where there was
a meeting of the internet engineering task

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force that does standards for all these
things.

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And they have a Bird of a Feather session
for Gopher and a bird of a feather session

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for the World-Wide Web.
And the Gopher session is full of people.

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And they couldn't have enough in the room.
They were sitting on the floor and peaking

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in the door.
And then, later, I wasn't at this meeting,

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by the way.
Rich Wiggins, my co-host on the television

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show was at this meeting.
And, what he tells me is at the Birds of a

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Feathers meeting, there was almost nobody
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And Tim Berners-Lee was like, I've been
working on this thing for three years, and

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it's better than Gopher, but nobody wants
to use it.

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And then people in the room at that point
told him, they said it's just too complex,

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it's too hard to get working.
And so, this is a long time ago and the

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web was not assured to be a success at
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It just wasn't really clear.
So, 1993 was kind of like, it was a real,

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there's a lot of things that could have
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And I want to show you a commercial, and
there's a couple of these out there, from

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1993 that one of the large
telecommunications vendors put out as a

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national ad campaign.
And this is what the telecommunications

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industry was thinking about, they saw it
all happening.

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They saw this all happening, they knew it
was going to be big.

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They knew it was going to allow
interactions in many ways.

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They knew it, they weren't dumb, it's
wasn't like, oh what's going on?

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No, not at all, they absolutely knew.
So this, this really wonderful series of

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commercials is [laugh] it's just quite
amazing.

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So take a look.
At the end you'll see, actually, what the

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large telecommunications company's name
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So take a quick look.
I hope you got to see a couple of those.

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I just, I just love watching them.
Over and over and over again and like

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whoa, what a vision, what a beautiful
vision.

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One of them has to do with like personal
assistant in the shape of a dog.

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So, again, sort of looking back at this
and looking at things that might not have

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been there's nobody that really makes the
connection that Steve Jobs might have had

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some impact on the world wide web.
But in a way, he was actually quite

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influential.
Steve Jobs, of course, founded Apple and

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then was kicked out of Apple at, after the
Macintosh and he started a new company

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called NeXT.
And if you listen closely to Robert

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Cailliau says, and you listen closely to
what Paul Kunz says, and the computer that

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was on my desk during this entire period
of the 1990s to the 93, were NeXT

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computers.
Next was a bold, Unix-based,

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highly-networked, high-definition display,
high-performance computer, that Steve Jobs

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built when he formed the company NeXT.
After he got fired from Apple.

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Of course, he eventually came back to
Apple and the NeXT technology is

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Macintosh, that's the Macintosh operating
system.

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So if you make a mistake in MacIntosh, you
might see an error message that starts NS

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something.
That's called NeXT Step, which is the

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operating system on these next computers.
For the first three years of the web, it

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was pretty much only on the NeXT computer.
People would, even the server was, you

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know, on the NeXT computer and the browser
was on the NeXT computer and so it's, the

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NeXT computer really kind of did that.
I, I wrote an article.

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In sort of a couple months after Steve
Jobs died for [inaudible] Computer

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Magazines, January 2012 issue.
That really sort of tried to at least,

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from a historical perspective, point out
how important Steve Jobs may have been in

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helping the internet get formed.
So we started our journey at University of

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Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.
We got the NSF, created the University of

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Michigan.
We created the Web, we created the first

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Web server; and now we're going to come
back to where we started.

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We're going to go back to the University
of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

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These are the folks that basically
exploded the web.

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Moved the web from the academic space to
the commercial and end user space.

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And there's all kind of things.
The network was growing.

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Things were getting faster.
Personal computers were getting better at

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a very rapid phase because the IBM PC is
almost ten years old and many computers

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have, and we did quite fast in the, in the
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So the 1990s are computing, and their
display capabilities were, were getting

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better very rapidly.
And in this environment, NCSA at

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Urbana-Champagne, University of Illinois,
Urbana-Champagne, built an open source web

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browser that worked on Mac, Windows, and
Unix.

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It was the first web browser that did this
and it, it was the thing that really made

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it so average people who had PCs or MACs
in their home could get a network

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connection and start enjoying all of this
new content that was coming up on the

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world wide web.
After this, the NCSA staff, student

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programmers, software developers, all
formed the company Netscape in order to

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commercialize all this.
Joseph Hardin was the supervisor of the

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software development group at NCSA that
was responsible.

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For building and releasing both the Mosaic
web browser and the HTTPd web server as

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open source and gave them away free.
