WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 1 00:00:01.569 --> 00:00:06.280 >>Trevor Owens: So, I'm going to start out with some remarks, sort of trying to lay out 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:11.370 where we are so far with the definition for the national digital platform, how it's developing, 3 00:00:11.370 --> 00:00:18.760 a bit about some of the awards that we've made, and then invite each of the panelists 4 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:24.029 to respond and sort of give perspectives from different points of view on how this is developing, 5 00:00:24.029 --> 00:00:29.230 and then over the course of the day, we'll have a series of panels where moderators have 6 00:00:29.230 --> 00:00:32.310 some more groups to discuss issues. 7 00:00:32.310 --> 00:00:38.969 So, I'll take about 5 minutes here to get into this concept. 8 00:00:38.969 --> 00:00:45.400 So, consider the following diverse scenarios; a librarian in Utah develops and shares a 9 00:00:45.400 --> 00:00:50.250 plug in for an open source repository system that's reused in libraries in three other 10 00:00:50.250 --> 00:00:51.250 states. 11 00:00:51.250 --> 00:00:56.949 A curator in New York improves documentation for open source exhibition software used by 12 00:00:56.949 --> 00:00:59.190 staff at museums and libraries around the country. 13 00:00:59.190 --> 00:01:05.530 A network of libraries bans together to develop a common system that makes it easier for other 14 00:01:05.530 --> 00:01:10.430 libraries to provide access to e books, and a non profit organization develops and runs 15 00:01:10.430 --> 00:01:14.890 a series of workshops to equip librarians around the country to install, deploy and 16 00:01:14.890 --> 00:01:20.570 configure open source tools to provide access to digital objects. 17 00:01:20.570 --> 00:01:25.840 In each of these cases, staff are working to solve local needs for their institutions, 18 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.640 communities, but at the same time, they're also contributing directly to regional and 19 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.659 national efforts. 20 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:35.050 The work at each of these organizations is making use of and contributing to the national 21 00:01:35.050 --> 00:01:37.490 digital platform for libraries and museums. 22 00:01:37.490 --> 00:01:41.600 So, again, thank you to everyone who's joined us, both those in the room and watching via 23 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:46.619 the webcast, for joining us and helping us to better understand how to catalyze the shared 24 00:01:46.619 --> 00:01:53.380 work we engage in to improve digital capacity and capability for libraries across the country. 25 00:01:53.380 --> 00:02:00.640 So, I'm happy to invite Brett from the National of Humanities, Amy Garmer from the Aspen Institute 26 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.560 Dialogue on Public Libraries and Jim Neal from Columbia to respond and comment on this 27 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.460 definition once I sort of put it together here. 28 00:02:09.460 --> 00:02:14.080 So, again, catalyze improvements in digital capacity. 29 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:17.770 So, focus for us is a key word. 30 00:02:17.770 --> 00:02:21.790 That's sort of one of the key terms of this whole series of meetings, and we're thrilled 31 00:02:21.790 --> 00:02:27.300 to have you here to help us train the focus of our agency on building this capacity, to 32 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:32.020 provide every library user in the country with improved access to content, collections 33 00:02:32.020 --> 00:02:33.020 and services. 34 00:02:33.020 --> 00:02:39.890 So, when we get to the national digital platform, we've got a couple layers that I'll discuss. 35 00:02:39.890 --> 00:02:45.720 On a very broad level, we're talking about a way of thinking about what accumulates from 36 00:02:45.720 --> 00:02:51.060 all the digital tools, services, infrastructure and skills libraries and librarians need to 37 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:56.160 utilize, to meet the needs of their users across the country. 38 00:02:56.160 --> 00:02:59.150 More specifically, it's a priority area in our grant program. 39 00:02:59.150 --> 00:03:07.310 So, again, broadly, it's this way of thinking about all the software applications, the social, 40 00:03:07.310 --> 00:03:13.400 technical infrastructure, the staff expertise that provides every library content, or provides 41 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.650 every library content and services to all users in the United States. 42 00:03:17.650 --> 00:03:21.620 An so, in this vein, the platform isn't an individual thing. 43 00:03:21.620 --> 00:03:27.431 It's not a piece of software, it's not a website, it's the culmination of those things, it's 44 00:03:27.431 --> 00:03:32.490 what they become altogether, and so if we're to zoom out and sort of look at all of these 45 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:37.690 software tools, the components, the infrastructure, the knowledge required to use and contribute 46 00:03:37.690 --> 00:03:44.940 to that, and you sort of squint a little bit, you can start to see what that national platform 47 00:03:44.940 --> 00:03:52.250 is, and, so, as we increasingly use digital infrastructure to provide access to content, 48 00:03:52.250 --> 00:03:56.430 there are more and more opportunities for collaboration around the tools and services 49 00:03:56.430 --> 00:03:58.140 we use to meet users' needs. 50 00:03:58.140 --> 00:04:02.100 So, it's possible, in this case, for every library in the country, to leverage and benefit 51 00:04:02.100 --> 00:04:08.150 from the work of other libraries, in shared digital services, systems and infrastructure. 52 00:04:08.150 --> 00:04:13.830 So, from this perspective, the foundations of a national digital platform for libraries 53 00:04:13.830 --> 00:04:18.880 and museums already exist in a range of open source software projects and shared services 54 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:25.140 provided by local, regional and national organizations, and as Maura had noted, over the past 20 years, 55 00:04:25.140 --> 00:04:30.370 we've conducted an enormous amount of research and development around digital libraries, 56 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:37.880 but much of that has been locally focused or involved small collaborations or resulted 57 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:42.960 in a range of one off projects that faced significant sustainability challenges, and 58 00:04:42.960 --> 00:04:47.500 as a result, the national digital platform currently exists as a diffuse set of largely 59 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:49.790 disconnected components. 60 00:04:49.790 --> 00:04:55.350 At last year's convening in New York, a range of experts, much like yourselves, encouraged 61 00:04:55.350 --> 00:05:04.210 IMLS to prioritize improving and better connecting the 62 00:05:04.210 --> 00:05:10.540 most promising digital tools, services, the elements that have the most clear potential 63 00:05:10.540 --> 00:05:15.780 to scale up, and so a theme that came through that discussion was that there's a clear need 64 00:05:15.780 --> 00:05:21.380 to shift away from supporting a range of one off individual projects to focus more on supporting 65 00:05:21.380 --> 00:05:25.310 projects that catalyze action and activity. 66 00:05:25.310 --> 00:05:30.550 In that vein, three weeks ago, we announced the first four awards in this priority area. 67 00:05:30.550 --> 00:05:36.520 Elements of those awards, their national scopes, how they build on and leverage existing successful 68 00:05:36.520 --> 00:05:41.680 projects and programs, how they respond directly to the challenges of scale, and how they focus 69 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.090 on shared capacity and services, responded directly to the issues that were raised at 70 00:05:46.090 --> 00:05:52.650 last year's convening, specifically a grant for the DPLA standpoint on dura-space focuses 71 00:05:52.650 --> 00:05:57.430 on creating a turn key instance of the hydro repository software which can help both the 72 00:05:57.430 --> 00:06:05.250 hubs of DPLA and more broadly the range of different users on the Hydra platform, a grant 73 00:06:05.250 --> 00:06:10.712 to art store and four partner museums to improve the shared shelf platform, to serve as an 74 00:06:10.712 --> 00:06:16.230 open content hub for museums, a grant to Old Dominion University explore scaling up web 75 00:06:16.230 --> 00:06:21.270 archiving and using digital story telling tools to make sense of and provide access 76 00:06:21.270 --> 00:06:25.750 to web archives, and a planning grant to Tuffs University that will bring together experts 77 00:06:25.750 --> 00:06:31.240 from disability services with librarians and IT professionals to explore developing a shared 78 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.930 repository for accessible course materials. 79 00:06:34.930 --> 00:06:40.810 The challenge to our diverse national community of libraries and librarians is to identify 80 00:06:40.810 --> 00:06:44.770 and articulate common goals and priorities for the near term. 81 00:06:44.770 --> 00:06:50.260 To that end, today and going forward, we ask the community, what's working well and what 82 00:06:50.260 --> 00:06:52.650 needs to move to the next level? 83 00:06:52.650 --> 00:06:57.139 What's missing or underdeveloped in our distributed digital infrastructure? 84 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:02.310 What must happen to improve how all of those components fit together and work with other 85 00:07:02.310 --> 00:07:03.310 platforms? 86 00:07:03.310 --> 00:07:06.960 How do we ensure that librarians across the country are equipped to make the best use 87 00:07:06.960 --> 00:07:11.310 of and to contribute to the development of those components to meet the needs of their 88 00:07:11.310 --> 00:07:12.310 communities? 89 00:07:12.310 --> 00:07:17.419 I'm excited to pose these questions to those convened here today, both in person and via 90 00:07:17.419 --> 00:07:19.040 the webcast. 91 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:23.610 We need you to weigh in and articulate what the key near term priorities should be as 92 00:07:23.610 --> 00:07:26.060 a focus across this platform. 93 00:07:26.060 --> 00:07:30.590 I'm looking forward to learning together as we continue to iteratively identify how to 94 00:07:30.590 --> 00:07:32.240 improve our work. 95 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:33.890 Thank you. 96 00:07:33.890 --> 00:07:38.160 So, we can sort of move down the table to begin with. 97 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:39.160 Brett. 98 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.510 >>Brett Bobley: Alright, thank you, Trevor. 99 00:07:43.510 --> 00:07:47.440 First, let me just give my kudos to you guys at IMLS. 100 00:07:47.440 --> 00:07:52.080 You know, we had a meeting at the New York Public Library that you guys invited me to 101 00:07:52.080 --> 00:07:58.260 about a year ago, and we started talking about this idea of a national digital platform, 102 00:07:58.260 --> 00:08:02.550 and one of the things on the table was that IMLS was really going to restructure its grant 103 00:08:02.550 --> 00:08:07.270 programs and try to meet the requirements of the field, and honestly, you go to a lot 104 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:10.800 of meetings where people talk about doing a lot of changes, but you guys actually did 105 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.919 it, and I mean that. 106 00:08:12.919 --> 00:08:20.990 You guys have seriously, I work for the federal government, and sometimes, it takes a really, 107 00:08:20.990 --> 00:08:24.720 really, really long time to change things, and you guys, within one year, made some pretty 108 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:30.370 dramatic changes to your NLG Program to try to focus in on this National Digital Platform, 109 00:08:30.370 --> 00:08:34.520 so I applaud you for that. 110 00:08:34.520 --> 00:08:40.520 I think that as a funder myself, it's interesting to me, when I look at the list of the people 111 00:08:40.520 --> 00:08:45.080 who are in the room, who are attending, a significant portion, probably more than half 112 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:50.710 the people in the room are people at my agency also works with or funds and etc., and that, 113 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:55.171 I think, raises an important point that I wanted to make about funding the national 114 00:08:55.171 --> 00:08:56.270 digital platform. 115 00:08:56.270 --> 00:09:04.529 It's that I really urge funders, we need to do a better job working together to ensure 116 00:09:04.529 --> 00:09:09.620 that we are developing the national digital platform in a unified fashion. 117 00:09:09.620 --> 00:09:12.890 I mean, I'll give you an example. 118 00:09:12.890 --> 00:09:19.690 In about a week, Mary Flanagan, who will be talking later, is hosting a terrific multi 119 00:09:19.690 --> 00:09:27.520 day workshop on crowd sourcing for libraries and museums and other organizations, and this 120 00:09:27.520 --> 00:09:33.580 particular event was co funded by IMLS and NEH and the Sloan Foundation. 121 00:09:33.580 --> 00:09:39.080 The three of us got together and worked it out and came up with what we think is a terrific 122 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.130 program that Mary and her team, along with the University of Maryland, are doing next 123 00:09:43.130 --> 00:09:48.110 week, but the point is that, honestly, a year or two ago, that probably wouldn't have happened. 124 00:09:48.110 --> 00:09:53.380 A year or two ago, IMLS would have funded something to do with crowd sourcing and then 125 00:09:53.380 --> 00:09:56.450 NEH would have funded some completely different event, and the Sloan Foundation would have 126 00:09:56.450 --> 00:09:59.780 done some other completely different event and we would have heard, oh, that's really 127 00:09:59.780 --> 00:10:03.130 funny, I heard you guys did something on crowd sourcing as well and there wouldn't have been 128 00:10:03.130 --> 00:10:05.370 any coordination. 129 00:10:05.370 --> 00:10:12.100 I think in order to build this national digital platform, we as funders need to be cognizant 130 00:10:12.100 --> 00:10:17.540 of the fact, there's a limited amount of dollars out there, and we can't keep funding silos. 131 00:10:17.540 --> 00:10:21.880 We need to work with one another and figure out, hey, you know, Trevor, what are you guys 132 00:10:21.880 --> 00:10:22.880 funding? 133 00:10:22.880 --> 00:10:23.880 What are you up to? 134 00:10:23.880 --> 00:10:24.880 What do we need to do? 135 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:29.850 When we get in grant applications, we need to stop funding siloed projects. 136 00:10:29.850 --> 00:10:35.631 If an organizational library comes to me and wants to fund a project, and it might be a 137 00:10:35.631 --> 00:10:41.010 really cool project, and maybe 10 years ago, that would have been enough, but if the project 138 00:10:41.010 --> 00:10:46.540 is not trying to take the content that they're developing and make it part of a national 139 00:10:46.540 --> 00:10:49.740 digital platform, that shouldn't be funded. 140 00:10:49.740 --> 00:10:51.730 We really need to be cognizant of that. 141 00:10:51.730 --> 00:10:56.149 We need to direct these dollars in a way to have the maximum positive impact for the field, 142 00:10:56.149 --> 00:11:00.420 and that is a big change, and it is a lot more work for us funders to talk to one another 143 00:11:00.420 --> 00:11:05.160 and do that kind of stuff, but I can tell you that I'm on the phone with other funders 144 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:11.390 now more and more, I mean, I probably talk to Trevor two or three times a week and folks 145 00:11:11.390 --> 00:11:18.279 at Mellon and other organizations, so I really think it's critical that we see how OCLC and 146 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:23.210 ALA and AAS and DLF and Clear and all these important organizations that are involved 147 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:29.560 in the library field, how can we work together to ensure that, we all have kind of a shared 148 00:11:29.560 --> 00:11:35.120 vision of the national digital platform, and we can all support aspects of it using the 149 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:40.390 mechanisms, the support or grant mechanisms that we have in place already today. 150 00:11:40.390 --> 00:11:41.390 Thanks. 151 00:11:41.390 --> 00:11:49.070 >>Amy Garmer: So, I'm going to follow Brett by talking a little bit more about what is 152 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:52.610 happening at the local level, with local libraries. 153 00:11:52.610 --> 00:11:58.110 The Aspen Institute project, which has been going for two years now, has had a very specific 154 00:11:58.110 --> 00:12:04.510 focus on public libraries, and because public libraries are so quintessentially local and 155 00:12:04.510 --> 00:12:11.040 community based, we've spent a lot of time looking at how the public library provides 156 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:18.290 a platform for its local community, but in that discussion, recognized, in an age when 157 00:12:18.290 --> 00:12:24.220 networks are really the dominant form of organization, and that's where communities are really built 158 00:12:24.220 --> 00:12:31.560 now, that we needed to consider how these networks scale up and connect, because we 159 00:12:31.560 --> 00:12:37.310 know that information and knowledge culture flows everywhere beyond boundaries over these 160 00:12:37.310 --> 00:12:38.350 networks. 161 00:12:38.350 --> 00:12:43.980 So, in the work that we've done, we've spent a lot of time looking at how public libraries, 162 00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:48.560 talking to public libraries about how they can leverage their three critical assets of 163 00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:55.290 people, place and platform, and when we think about that platform and building out the platform 164 00:12:55.290 --> 00:13:00.680 for learning and creativity and innovation in the community, you know, you realize in 165 00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:07.010 those conversations that there's a grander scale for library cooperation there, that 166 00:13:07.010 --> 00:13:13.470 it's, in serving the community, you need to be connected into other networks and on to 167 00:13:13.470 --> 00:13:19.440 a bigger, broader platform if you're going to provide what your community needs. 168 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:26.589 So, I think to that end, we spent a lot of time looking at this question of what is emerging 169 00:13:26.589 --> 00:13:28.730 as a national digital platform. 170 00:13:28.730 --> 00:13:34.360 I think I've got a quote in our report of Maura saying what she said earlier, we said 171 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:40.620 atop 20 years of experiments and work and looking at building the elements of the national 172 00:13:40.620 --> 00:13:44.630 digital platform, how do we now bring it all together. 173 00:13:44.630 --> 00:13:50.649 I think at the local level, what's really challenging for local librarians and their 174 00:13:50.649 --> 00:14:01.410 communities is understanding what is uniquely local and how to then think about participating 175 00:14:01.410 --> 00:14:07.640 in something that's national or regional without losing that local identity within the public 176 00:14:07.640 --> 00:14:08.640 library. 177 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:13.500 So, I think that one of the bigger challenges for public libraries in looking at participation 178 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:19.430 in a national digital platform, even beyond the issues of funding and sustainability, 179 00:14:19.430 --> 00:14:27.980 is a sense of cultural identity and navigating what a local library is when it becomes part 180 00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:33.180 of a broader national digital platform. 181 00:14:33.180 --> 00:14:37.200 Within the work that we've done, some of the opportunities for a national digital platform 182 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:46.390 in particular, and I think Trevor eluded to some of this too, is the opportunity to have 183 00:14:46.390 --> 00:14:52.610 people find others across the platform who are working toward common ends, where there's 184 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:58.440 a need for specialization and domain expertise, you're not going to have that in every community. 185 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.880 At the local level and local library, you can provide the level of specialization and 186 00:15:03.880 --> 00:15:10.820 domain expertise across any number of disciplines and knowledge sets by participating in a national 187 00:15:10.820 --> 00:15:11.820 platform. 188 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:16.860 So, I think, essentially, there's an argument to be made. 189 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:22.850 When we've engaged with local librarians, it's a broad spectrum. 190 00:15:22.850 --> 00:15:28.970 Some are very excited about the possibly of participating in a national platform and thinking 191 00:15:28.970 --> 00:15:36.220 about how they can help connect to and create it, others are very weary of losing that local 192 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:42.750 control, so I would just give a shout out to thinking about the culture and the kinds 193 00:15:42.750 --> 00:15:51.680 of arguments that go, that need to seep down to where the library sees itself at its most 194 00:15:51.680 --> 00:15:54.190 local levels. 195 00:15:54.190 --> 00:16:00.410 To that end, to what Brett was saying about identifying, I would think of them as allies, 196 00:16:00.410 --> 00:16:06.720 whether it's funders in the case of the local level of community foundations who are in 197 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:13.660 a position to work with local public libraries, there are shared goals and missions that a 198 00:16:13.660 --> 00:16:19.610 national digital platform can serve across, not just the libraries and cultural institutions 199 00:16:19.610 --> 00:16:24.620 and knowledge institutions that we're talking about, and I think that there's an opportunity 200 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:31.380 to pull together a broader coalition, starting in communities, with local public libraries 201 00:16:31.380 --> 00:16:36.670 reaching out to some of the other community partners, whether they're in government or 202 00:16:36.670 --> 00:16:39.160 community foundations or other organizations. 203 00:16:39.160 --> 00:16:44.880 I think in the work that we're doing, what's really pivotal is the state role as a mediator 204 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:50.220 between the local and what's happening at the national level, so I look forward to hearing 205 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:56.680 and seeing more about what that state role is, and then, finally, just a real quick plug, 206 00:16:56.680 --> 00:17:04.409 I think the FCC gave public libraries a really wonderful opportunity in expanding the e rate 207 00:17:04.409 --> 00:17:09.839 funding as much as they did with their e rate reform, and there's this wonderful window 208 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:17.100 of opportunity right now for local communities to look at how to tap into that, access that, 209 00:17:17.100 --> 00:17:20.649 to build out what they need at the local level and what we need as part of the national digital 210 00:17:20.649 --> 00:17:21.649 platform. 211 00:17:21.649 --> 00:17:22.649 Thanks. 212 00:17:22.649 --> 00:17:25.809 >>Jim Neal: Thank you. 213 00:17:25.809 --> 00:17:30.809 So, let me start with my Marxist Leninist mantra. 214 00:17:30.809 --> 00:17:33.110 Yes. 215 00:17:33.110 --> 00:17:38.190 Ideas have no value unless they are translated into action. 216 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:42.110 Ideas have no value unless they are translated into action. 217 00:17:42.110 --> 00:17:47.570 One year ago tomorrow, we met as a summit at New York Public Library, and we came up 218 00:17:47.570 --> 00:17:50.080 with, I think, five basic directions. 219 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:56.029 As Brett and Trevor have noted, how do we move from scattered institutional investments 220 00:17:56.029 --> 00:17:59.340 and siloed projects to national programs? 221 00:17:59.340 --> 00:18:02.350 And the new investments are taking us in that direction. 222 00:18:02.350 --> 00:18:08.830 Two: how do we expand our understanding of digital content at large scale to embrace 223 00:18:08.830 --> 00:18:13.919 curation, discovery, use and preservation? 224 00:18:13.919 --> 00:18:19.179 And preservation, and preservation of digital content? 225 00:18:19.179 --> 00:18:26.220 How do we build tools that are ubiquitous, iterative, transparent and integrated? 226 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:32.759 How do we build infrastructure at global scale and create public/private partnerships with 227 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:33.759 publishers? 228 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:34.759 Where are they? 229 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:35.759 Media companies. 230 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:36.759 Where are they? 231 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:43.019 Search engines and social media to advance our shared digital platform objectives? 232 00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:49.909 And lastly, and perhaps most importantly, are libraries recruiting, developing and retaining 233 00:18:49.909 --> 00:18:56.220 the diverse professional staff who can lead us in practice and performance? 234 00:18:56.220 --> 00:19:01.330 Let me suggest eight contexts for our discussions today. 235 00:19:01.330 --> 00:19:08.899 The global context: how does the national digital platform integrate internationally? 236 00:19:08.899 --> 00:19:10.559 We need to give attention to that. 237 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:16.230 The policy context; we are losing the policy wars. 238 00:19:16.230 --> 00:19:20.179 We need new policy leadership. 239 00:19:20.179 --> 00:19:27.279 We should not allow licensing to displace user supportive policies. 240 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:33.450 This is a great area of concern, and as IMLS invests in digital content through libraries, 241 00:19:33.450 --> 00:19:37.539 we need to be sensitive to those policy priorities. 242 00:19:37.539 --> 00:19:43.299 The preservation context: we have a disaster in the making. 243 00:19:43.299 --> 00:19:50.720 Published e materials are not being consistently and routinely preserved, and the waves of 244 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:56.239 born digital content are being lost every second of every day. 245 00:19:56.239 --> 00:20:04.479 The diversity context: we need an affirmative action for inclusion of diverse content and 246 00:20:04.479 --> 00:20:08.509 diverse perspectives on the national digital platform. 247 00:20:08.509 --> 00:20:15.840 We are creating classes of access, communities that have money, communities that have political 248 00:20:15.840 --> 00:20:21.840 power, communities that have good lawyers are getting more and better access than poorer 249 00:20:21.840 --> 00:20:27.389 communities, and where is the diversity participating in our discussion today? 250 00:20:27.389 --> 00:20:33.340 We need to be sensitive to the teaching and learning context and integrate educators into 251 00:20:33.340 --> 00:20:35.049 our conversation. 252 00:20:35.049 --> 00:20:42.080 We need to be sensitive to the scholar communication context and integrate researchers into our 253 00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:43.080 conversation. 254 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:49.700 We need to set aside the kumbaya of the past, the period of polygamy, where we seem to be 255 00:20:49.700 --> 00:20:56.769 willing to couple with anyone, anytime and really focus on more systemic, radical collaboration, 256 00:20:56.769 --> 00:21:03.470 in terms of how we select and develop partnerships and lastly, we need to consider the national 257 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:05.470 leadership context. 258 00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:12.909 How do things in organizations like ALA and other national associations, OCLC, the Library 259 00:21:12.909 --> 00:21:20.479 of Congress and NERA, what is their role in helping us to define and advance the national 260 00:21:20.479 --> 00:21:21.479 digital platform? 261 00:21:21.479 --> 00:21:26.799 So, I'm hoping we'll keep these ideas and these observations in mind as we work over 262 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.220 the course of the day. 263 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:32.159 >>Trevor Owens: Thank you. 264 00:21:32.159 --> 00:21:39.109 We now have, if I'm reading my schedule right, about 20 minutes of time for comments, questions 265 00:21:39.109 --> 00:21:43.750 from the audience that we, the panel and I, can then respond to. 266 00:21:43.750 --> 00:21:50.630 The whole concept of the day is we're hoping to have a significant amount of time for discussion, 267 00:21:50.630 --> 00:21:55.330 comment and conversation after each of the panels. 268 00:21:55.330 --> 00:22:03.899 When you do, a reminder again that when you do comment, please make sure you have one 269 00:22:03.899 --> 00:22:08.350 of the mics, so just raise your hand and we'll get you a mic, and then say your name and 270 00:22:08.350 --> 00:22:14.129 what organization you're here from so that people on the webcast have context as well. 271 00:22:14.129 --> 00:22:19.029 >>Lucy Barber: Hi. 272 00:22:19.029 --> 00:22:21.700 I’m Lucy Barber. 273 00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:26.830 I'm here partly because I'm from the National Historical Publications and Records Commission, 274 00:22:26.830 --> 00:22:33.519 which is the grant funding arm of the national archives, but I did want to call out a little 275 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:39.419 bit that Trevor kept using the word librarian, and there are a few people out in the twittersphere 276 00:22:39.419 --> 00:22:49.729 and other places that are archivists, and I also think, sorry, and I really appreciated 277 00:22:49.729 --> 00:22:56.049 your comment though, that the platform isn't just, you know, what you see, but all the 278 00:22:56.049 --> 00:23:01.059 pieces that make up for it, but I know that I've been contemplating, in terms of some 279 00:23:01.059 --> 00:23:07.999 of the types of projects that we support over at the Commission, and as much as I want to 280 00:23:07.999 --> 00:23:14.169 get out of the silo nature of them, they do pose some new challenges that are different 281 00:23:14.169 --> 00:23:20.499 in some ways in terms of how I would ideally like them presented than so far what I've 282 00:23:20.499 --> 00:23:27.369 seen possible in terms of what's on, like, DPLA or something like that, just in the way 283 00:23:27.369 --> 00:23:37.239 that electronic records projects sometimes need a more detailed database structure than 284 00:23:37.239 --> 00:23:42.159 what an e book would need, and, so, that's one of the challenges. 285 00:23:42.159 --> 00:23:53.479 We want stuff up there, we want stuff that's accessible, but if we try to simplify things 286 00:23:53.479 --> 00:24:01.669 and approach the format, if we go for the comment in the universal, we might lose the 287 00:24:01.669 --> 00:24:10.919 unique and precious of certain styles of data and materials. 288 00:24:10.919 --> 00:24:18.849 Like, I'm sponsoring the George Washington financial papers right now, and they're doing 289 00:24:18.849 --> 00:24:24.649 a, you know, going to come out as a free digital edition, people are going to download the 290 00:24:24.649 --> 00:24:31.859 data from and be able to do analysis of what he bought and how many, you know, cool, how 291 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.899 much he spent on different things. 292 00:24:33.899 --> 00:24:43.419 Now, that's a very specific type of project, and it's got to be siloed, but I don't know 293 00:24:43.419 --> 00:24:47.889 how to solve that yet until we build lots of them together. 294 00:24:47.889 --> 00:24:56.590 So, that's my, you know, I'm heart torn, but, mostly, I want you to include archival projects, 295 00:24:56.590 --> 00:25:03.359 because I already know, my boss, David Ferriero is showing up later, and he’s contributing 296 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:09.020 lots of material to DPLA and loves to do that. 297 00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:17.700 So, I don't know if you have thoughts on that, material that's hard to fit. 298 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:21.210 >>Trevor Owens: Yeah, I think I would jump in on that. 299 00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:28.739 So, as Maura mentioned, libraries, museums and archives are in our purview, and I think 300 00:25:28.739 --> 00:25:34.299 are definitely involved in this, and I guess my initial comment, and then I'll be happy 301 00:25:34.299 --> 00:25:42.960 to hear from the panel as well, on the issue of, well, so, I think this is why it's important 302 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.580 that there isn't one mega system, right? 303 00:25:45.580 --> 00:25:49.950 This isn't, like, the one spot where everything goes and that there will always be sort of 304 00:25:49.950 --> 00:25:55.440 an R and D element to exploring different content types and the best ways to work with 305 00:25:55.440 --> 00:26:02.090 those, but at the same time, there's a, I think, a massive power from integrating those 306 00:26:02.090 --> 00:26:06.809 and figuring out how to better make things discoverable across these different systems, 307 00:26:06.809 --> 00:26:11.989 so in the same way that it's, you know, there are going to be siloed projects, but surfacing 308 00:26:11.989 --> 00:26:18.029 elements of them are working to have more common ways to work across those is, I think, 309 00:26:18.029 --> 00:26:19.360 a great thing to strive for. 310 00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:24.979 >>Jim Neal: I think that archives and archivists are absolutely central to the conversations 311 00:26:24.979 --> 00:26:30.460 we're having here, and it's our oversight for not embracing that in our language, and 312 00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:33.259 we need to be sensitive to that over the course of the day. 313 00:26:33.259 --> 00:26:38.139 I want to sort of reference the digital preservation piece of this, because as you know, more and 314 00:26:38.139 --> 00:26:45.049 more of the individual papers and the organizational records and the participation of our world 315 00:26:45.049 --> 00:26:49.809 in social media challenges us in very interesting ways in how we're going to preserve and carry 316 00:26:49.809 --> 00:26:55.360 forward that content, but we just don't carry forward the content, obviously, we must carry 317 00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:01.070 forward the functionality, and a lot of these projects have very important specialized tools 318 00:27:01.070 --> 00:27:05.890 that enable people to probe and ask questions and reach really important conclusions, and, 319 00:27:05.890 --> 00:27:12.470 so, we need to be sensitive to that long term preservation functionality requirement that 320 00:27:12.470 --> 00:27:15.360 we have as well as the content. 321 00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:16.429 >> SPEAKER: Is it my turn? 322 00:27:16.429 --> 00:27:19.220 Do you want to say something, Brett? 323 00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:28.259 >>Brett Bobley: To answer Lucy's question one more time, sorry, I think, I agree with 324 00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:34.009 you, obviously, there are some projects that are more boutique y, but we need to be careful 325 00:27:34.009 --> 00:27:35.679 not to get into the trap. 326 00:27:35.679 --> 00:27:42.729 I mean, as a grantor, I can tell you, I get tons of applications from people who say that 327 00:27:42.729 --> 00:27:48.799 their project is a special snowflake that's different than all other snowflakes, and I 328 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:53.229 think it's important that we not, I mean, the easy way out is to say, oh, you're right, 329 00:27:53.229 --> 00:27:56.700 that is special, so you build your silo over there. 330 00:27:56.700 --> 00:28:03.450 I think every project should be thinking about how what they do fits in with the community. 331 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:08.999 It doesn't mean that a project should be dumbed down because, you know, they're doing something 332 00:28:08.999 --> 00:28:14.539 unique or interesting, but there are still ways for them to use national preservation 333 00:28:14.539 --> 00:28:18.380 networks, for them to use national discovery networks, even if the project that they're 334 00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:22.100 building has unique data or unique content types. 335 00:28:22.100 --> 00:28:25.970 There may be ways for them to work with other organizations at the national level that are 336 00:28:25.970 --> 00:28:27.359 doing similar content types. 337 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.099 So, what I'm getting at is we don't want to take the easy way out. 338 00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:37.201 We really want everyone to be thinking about how what they're doing can be done in a broad 339 00:28:37.201 --> 00:28:43.070 fashion and can be plugged into this digital infrastructure in some reasonable fashion. 340 00:28:43.070 --> 00:28:44.330 >> SPEAKER: Vicky. 341 00:28:44.330 --> 00:28:46.220 >>Vicky Rice: Hi. 342 00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:53.659 I'm Vicky Rice from Stanford University, and I'm sorry I missed last year's meeting. 343 00:28:53.659 --> 00:29:00.849 It sounds like it broke really fabulous, new ground, and I wanted to follow up on Jim's 344 00:29:00.849 --> 00:29:14.009 plea on the Marxist Leninist, which is just to say that everything, pretty much, aside 345 00:29:14.009 --> 00:29:17.830 from the materials that we're digitizing, which often end up on the web, most everything 346 00:29:17.830 --> 00:29:23.489 now is up on the web, and I've been doing digital preservation for nearly 20 years and 347 00:29:23.489 --> 00:29:30.909 have been collecting it from the web, and it is far too big a job for even the organizations 348 00:29:30.909 --> 00:29:33.029 that are represented here in this room. 349 00:29:33.029 --> 00:29:40.710 It is just absolutely huge, and, so, if I had a wish or a plea, it would be for us to 350 00:29:40.710 --> 00:29:51.639 work on tools that made it so that we could interoperate among the web tools that are 351 00:29:51.639 --> 00:29:59.389 doing ingest and preservation and dissemination and management, and to make those tools not 352 00:29:59.389 --> 00:30:06.960 only interoperate, but to make them so easy to use that we can, to be blunt, power to 353 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.100 the people, and that's my say. 354 00:30:10.100 --> 00:30:16.679 >>Jim Neal: Yeah, there's an adage that says every snowflake in an avalanche pleads not 355 00:30:16.679 --> 00:30:27.749 guilty, and the tsunami of snowflakes, I'm glad that Cliff is laughing, it's clear that 356 00:30:27.749 --> 00:30:34.519 we've got this tsunami that we, that institutional solutions are not the right approach, and 357 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:40.649 we don't seem to have the wear with all to build strategies, not just around web content, 358 00:30:40.649 --> 00:30:47.239 and we thank Brewster for his leadership and support in helping us take care of that stuff, 359 00:30:47.239 --> 00:30:51.999 but there's so much other things, whether it be the archival materials that are born 360 00:30:51.999 --> 00:30:56.509 digital, whether it be the social media, whether it be the research data that my faculty and 361 00:30:56.509 --> 00:31:01.309 researchers are producing, it's just an extraordinary challenge, and I hope we can give attention 362 00:31:01.309 --> 00:31:05.190 to it in our work. 363 00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:16.439 >> SPEAKER: So, we have a question from Brewster, and then we'll have Allen from ALA. 364 00:31:16.439 --> 00:31:17.589 >> SPEAKER: Inspiring. 365 00:31:17.589 --> 00:31:25.609 I'm trying to, I was trying to just write notes, and sort of the summary from my perspective 366 00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:32.839 of what was just said, 20 years of experiments, now it's time to bring it all together. 367 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.589 Platform. 368 00:31:34.589 --> 00:31:36.339 Scale. 369 00:31:36.339 --> 00:31:38.639 Massive power to integrate. 370 00:31:38.639 --> 00:31:43.470 If people request funding for digital work that does not feed into the national digital 371 00:31:43.470 --> 00:31:46.559 platform, the NEH will not fund it. 372 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:56.429 A word that hasn't been used but probably would have been used five years ago is synergy. 373 00:31:56.429 --> 00:31:59.379 Whenever I hear platform, it sort of, like, oh, I remember that word. 374 00:31:59.379 --> 00:32:06.350 It was used by a very famous software company called Microsoft about having its operating 375 00:32:06.350 --> 00:32:08.839 system be the platform. 376 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:17.279 So, it's a time consolidation, but what are we consolidating into? 377 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:23.159 We're talking about feeding our materials that have been maintained and a diverse set 378 00:32:23.159 --> 00:32:31.509 of organizations, archives, libraries into a common platform and consolidating navigation 379 00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:37.339 therefore and leveraging each other to have, basically, increased access points, and my 380 00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:44.210 being from the tech field, I certainly know the power of winner takes all and what happens 381 00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:50.659 when you have one platform rule them all. 382 00:32:50.659 --> 00:32:57.589 The Internet though has evolved into some other mottos that have been kind of interesting 383 00:32:57.589 --> 00:33:00.820 that we might want to take seriously going forward in this. 384 00:33:00.820 --> 00:33:06.909 Aiguille, which means it's not top down, waterfall, it's all going to be designed and you get 385 00:33:06.909 --> 00:33:16.039 to implement your piece ideas, and the motto of the Internet founders was we believe in 386 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.490 rough consensus and running code. 387 00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:26.729 That may be different from kind of what I'm hearing so far, and it might be useful. 388 00:33:26.729 --> 00:33:34.070 A good test might be to think in your heads, at the end of the day, after this program 389 00:33:34.070 --> 00:33:39.529 and platform is put in place and funding is coordinated and consolidated, how many independent 390 00:33:39.529 --> 00:33:43.220 libraries and archives will there be? 391 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:50.450 What does it mean to be an independent library, archive or museum in this world? 392 00:33:50.450 --> 00:33:52.669 Which is increasingly becoming digital. 393 00:33:52.669 --> 00:33:56.629 So, I'm not trying to be Luddite here. 394 00:33:56.629 --> 00:34:03.479 I think of myself as very much from the tech world, and I love the diversity of the library 395 00:34:03.479 --> 00:34:04.629 community. 396 00:34:04.629 --> 00:34:06.389 How do we make all of this happen? 397 00:34:06.389 --> 00:34:12.090 As one other participant said here, and it's not the person you'd imagine, lots of copies 398 00:34:12.090 --> 00:34:15.340 keep stuff open. 399 00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:21.190 I think there's going to be issues around public policy, issues around copyright in 400 00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:29.200 particular, and if these are gone at in ways that are top down, I think that we may end 401 00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:31.780 up with laws we will regret. 402 00:34:31.780 --> 00:34:39.100 So, the big, the elephant in the room is the modern materials that are in copyright, and 403 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:47.210 how do we evolve and approach towards dealing with these materials in a way that we end 404 00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:50.220 up with something that's not centrally controlled. 405 00:34:50.220 --> 00:34:51.640 Thank you. 406 00:34:51.640 --> 00:34:57.910 >>Trevor Owens: Does anyone want to respond first to that? 407 00:34:57.910 --> 00:35:00.700 >>Jim Neal: Yeah, I agree with Brewster. 408 00:35:00.700 --> 00:35:10.970 I think sometimes in the effort to make progress, we over consolidate and lose the importance 409 00:35:10.970 --> 00:35:15.130 of initiative and innovation. 410 00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:22.690 There's a sentence in the book, Education of Henry Adams, that says order breeds habit 411 00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:27.730 while chaos breeds life, and I think we want to make sure that our national digital platform 412 00:35:27.730 --> 00:35:32.060 is a reflection of life, and if it means that there's a certain amount of chaos that's built 413 00:35:32.060 --> 00:35:37.580 into that, so be it, because it'll be a better place to work and to get things done. 414 00:35:37.580 --> 00:35:41.820 >>Trevor Owens: Amy, I think, that fits very well some of what you were talking about with 415 00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:44.780 local libraries, sort of how the connection’s there. 416 00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:50.070 >>Amy Garmer: Yeah, and the word that came to my mind after Brewster was speaking was 417 00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:53.920 governance, that, you know, you can talk about the platform thinking, you can talk about 418 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.950 platform funding, but, you know, once you start doing all that and getting it together, 419 00:35:58.950 --> 00:36:04.650 how is it going to be governed, and, you know, we do have a number of, you know, successful, 420 00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:10.660 long successful period with the multi stakeholder approach that has governed the Internet and 421 00:36:10.660 --> 00:36:18.890 the general consensus and the structure of the governing bodies, none of which seems 422 00:36:18.890 --> 00:36:28.130 to have, you know, absolute control over anything, although perhaps some of the domain name stuff 423 00:36:28.130 --> 00:36:36.190 has gotten there, but I think that as this work moves forward and as IMLS and its allies 424 00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:43.620 move forward with this, that's going to have to be a key part of the conversation. 425 00:36:43.620 --> 00:36:47.450 >>Brett Bobley: I think Brewster raises a good point with the word platform. 426 00:36:47.450 --> 00:36:49.700 It's maybe not the best word in this case. 427 00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:53.330 I don't think of the national digital platform as anything monolithic. 428 00:36:53.330 --> 00:36:57.610 Maybe a better word would be national digital environment or something like that. 429 00:36:57.610 --> 00:37:02.840 I think it's about getting individual projects to think about not just themselves but how 430 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:09.460 they fit into a wider sort of infrastructure, you know, a wider environment and how their 431 00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:16.060 materials can be best shared and preserved in sort of a national and international scale. 432 00:37:16.060 --> 00:37:20.010 It's really, I think, about getting people to think about it from that perspective rather 433 00:37:20.010 --> 00:37:23.760 than just building individually. 434 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.890 I think that, certainly at the NEH, I think we come from tradition, for example, of funding, 435 00:37:30.890 --> 00:37:36.620 like, books, you know monographs, where I think that most individual authors tend to 436 00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:40.920 think about, well, I'm just worried about my book, because the library infrastructure 437 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.030 that makes that book shareable is something that was outside their control, you know, 438 00:37:45.030 --> 00:37:50.790 but I think that when you're building a digital project today, you do need to think about 439 00:37:50.790 --> 00:37:54.690 how it's going to interoperate with the rest of the world and ensure that it gets out there, 440 00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:58.280 and I think that's really, at its heart, what this platform is about, is thinking about 441 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.480 it beyond just the scope of your individual project. 442 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.080 >>Trevor Owens: I'd add on to that too, it's not just about sort of shared ways of doing 443 00:38:07.080 --> 00:38:12.400 access, but I think Archive It a great example of a tool that enables libraries to collect, 444 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.540 and to sort of carry out that element or mission and then to share those collects, so I think 445 00:38:16.540 --> 00:38:22.290 this is still very much sort of trying to build common tools that support all of the 446 00:38:22.290 --> 00:38:27.770 institutions in their missions, to collect, to provide access, to provide services, and 447 00:38:27.770 --> 00:38:32.550 so the more that we can put this together, but you're right, not sort of in a monolithic 448 00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:33.550 sense. 449 00:38:33.550 --> 00:38:36.960 Allen, you had a question or a comment? 450 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.960 >>Allen: Sure. 451 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:38.960 Thank you. 452 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:39.960 Allen in ALA. 453 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.870 First, I just want to thank IMLS for the national digital platform. 454 00:38:44.870 --> 00:38:49.790 Speaking from a policy advocate’s point of view, it's kind of, from a national point 455 00:38:49.790 --> 00:38:55.230 of view, what do you advocate for, and so this is an important construct for the whole 456 00:38:55.230 --> 00:38:56.230 community. 457 00:38:56.230 --> 00:39:00.871 So, first of all, it's incumbent upon all of us to support it, so, you know, what can 458 00:39:00.871 --> 00:39:01.871 we do? 459 00:39:01.871 --> 00:39:06.640 One is to create momentum, so you can blog about it, you can write articles about it, 460 00:39:06.640 --> 00:39:10.930 talk about it in your presentations at conferences and so on, right? 461 00:39:10.930 --> 00:39:16.580 There is this kind of increasing legitimacy from the field that this is a real thing and 462 00:39:16.580 --> 00:39:22.820 it's really important to us, and therefore, it should be supported, in particular by Congress. 463 00:39:22.820 --> 00:39:30.330 As Maura mentioned, it's in President Obama's FY 2016 budget, and so we need to create that 464 00:39:30.330 --> 00:39:35.350 support, that this is actually important, for libraries, for archives and for the whole 465 00:39:35.350 --> 00:39:36.350 country. 466 00:39:36.350 --> 00:39:41.040 I just want to point out that next week is actually national library legislative day, 467 00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:46.930 and so there's an opportunity to help demonstrate that support, that this is really important 468 00:39:46.930 --> 00:39:51.680 and it's a really good hook for us, that, you know, we have something specific we can 469 00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:52.680 advocate for. 470 00:39:52.680 --> 00:39:57.160 So, I just want to thank IMLS for taking that initiative during the past year. 471 00:39:57.160 --> 00:40:02.480 The other comment is something Brewster mentioned about copyright, and I just want to mention 472 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.320 that this morning, there's a new coalition on copyright that was just launched called 473 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.730 Re Create, and it includes some of the major players in Washington such as the Consumer 474 00:40:12.730 --> 00:40:18.340 Electronics Association and Electronic Frontier Foundation and public knowledge, and also 475 00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:21.560 ALA and the Association of Research Libraries are founding members. 476 00:40:21.560 --> 00:40:27.810 There are ten founding members, and so, it's going in the direction of, you know, user 477 00:40:27.810 --> 00:40:34.490 rights and what the general public needs in terms of managing and using digital content, 478 00:40:34.490 --> 00:40:40.000 and, so, it's a step in that direction, but, obviously, there's a lot more to be done. 479 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.000 Thanks. 480 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.380 >>Trevor Owens: Thank you. 481 00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:54.640 If there are any reactions or, we have a hand in the back for a microphone to, and then 482 00:40:54.640 --> 00:40:56.680 we're just about at time. 483 00:40:56.680 --> 00:41:00.710 Oh okay, we've got two question/comments. 484 00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:04.360 >>Karen Ann Mulsen: It's not a direct comment. 485 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.380 I didn't know if mentored else actually had another. 486 00:41:08.380 --> 00:41:11.770 Okay, I just wanted to point out, oh, hi, my name's Karen Ann Mulsen. 487 00:41:11.770 --> 00:41:13.840 I'm from AV Preserve. 488 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:18.220 We are a consulting firm, so we get to work with a lot of different organizations, very 489 00:41:18.220 --> 00:41:26.020 diverse organizations, and while I very much applaud breaking down the silos, I think this 490 00:41:26.020 --> 00:41:32.860 is extremely important, it's what we do in most of our work, but we're focusing on silos 491 00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:39.130 internally at organizations, and I think we have to keep in mind that most of these organizations 492 00:41:39.130 --> 00:41:44.310 that we're talking about potentially funding really exist as many, many, many silos within 493 00:41:44.310 --> 00:41:46.210 those organizations. 494 00:41:46.210 --> 00:41:50.480 If we can't break those down, how are we going to, you know, break down these regional and 495 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:51.480 national silos? 496 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:56.740 I think we need to not overlook that need, because my concern is that what we end up 497 00:41:56.740 --> 00:42:01.980 doing is taking slivers and pieces of each institution that's participating, and they 498 00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:04.870 get to join in, where the rest kind of get left behind. 499 00:42:04.870 --> 00:42:11.940 So, if leadership at libraries and museums and archives are only focused on, you know, 500 00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:15.170 we need to get with IMLS national digital platform, and oh my gosh, we're never going 501 00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:20.280 to get funding any other way, are they going to be leaving behind parts of their organization 502 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:25.400 which are struggling, are they going to be not focusing on creating enterprises that 503 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:31.090 really manage their data as these organizations, you know, increasingly become managers of 504 00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:33.370 large scale data sets. 505 00:42:33.370 --> 00:42:37.380 So, I don't know if there's a role for IMLS or NEH or other funders to play in that, but 506 00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:39.560 I think we need to not lose sight of that. 507 00:42:39.560 --> 00:42:42.900 >>Trevor Owens: Thank you. 508 00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:47.500 We'll take the other comment in the back and then we'll have a moment or two. 509 00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:48.500 >>Kim Kristy: Hi. 510 00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:54.140 I'm Kim Kristy from Washington State University and the Mukadu project director, funded by 511 00:42:54.140 --> 00:42:56.210 both IMLS and NEH, so thank you. 512 00:42:56.210 --> 00:43:00.900 I know we're focusing on the platform and the digital. 513 00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:06.850 I also want to focus on the national part and remind us that we do have 566 federally 514 00:43:06.850 --> 00:43:12.750 recognized tribes within nations within the nation, and we've brought up copyright, we 515 00:43:12.750 --> 00:43:17.690 brought up content, and some of that content we need to pay attention to that is in the 516 00:43:17.690 --> 00:43:24.860 public domain or are copyright by third party owners is historically owned by other people, 517 00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:30.870 and, so, I just want to bring the conversation, also, local communities, we can focus on how 518 00:43:30.870 --> 00:43:37.100 do we serve tribal archives, libraries and museums as sovereign nations, also funneling 519 00:43:37.100 --> 00:43:45.240 their content in but having different concerns, how might we be aware of those, and I appreciate 520 00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:49.870 Trevor and Brett making sure that we understand that the platform's not monolithic. 521 00:43:49.870 --> 00:43:52.180 So, that's just more comment. 522 00:43:52.180 --> 00:43:53.180 Thank you. 523 00:43:53.180 --> 00:43:54.860 >>Trevor Owens: Thank you. 524 00:43:54.860 --> 00:43:55.860 Great. 525 00:43:55.860 --> 00:44:02.660 So, we're at, or a moment over time, so I wanted to thank everyone on the panel for 526 00:44:02.660 --> 00:44:08.670 participating and everyone already in the conversation, and we'll have a moment to switch 527 00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:10.830 out, but I think we move straight into our next panel. 528 00:44:10.830 --> 00:44:16.340 So, Tom Scheinfeldt, if you can come up, you're the host, and then… 529 00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:17.440 (Applause.)